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quote:* ANNA decapod camelback #412 in a good picture showing lots of detail. Look at he front tender truck. It is a powered booster truck. When moving, the side rod, counter weighted wheels spin and the rod rotates around, and around.
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Spectrum, 2-10-0 Decapod frame Frank? That's an AWESOME looking little locomotive!
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quote:* A D&H Challenger came into town today heading for thePGW, Frankford Engine terminal. It is here for a evaluation for a possiable reabuild. It will have to waite for the Camelbacks being built.
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All Brass? I ask as I think, I have the same tender you do pictured here......Altho, mine was with a Bowser Challenger.....
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quote:I am back from the Wayne NJ train show. Maybe there were 10 HO dealers in a mainly Lionel O and Flier S train show. Those 10 dealers had many things I would have gotten, if when I looked in my pocket, money was there. One dealer had a collection of 1956 to 59 trains. At least 10 maybe 0ne less International brass locomotives. All unbuilt kits in original boxes. He had a large collection of Fleischmann from that time. Cars were in original boxes. He had 4 boxed sets. Two were fleischmann, one was the HObbyline Lehigh Valley passenger set, the forth set I cant remember what it was. He had a unboxed Santa Fe HObbyline set with a FM H-10-44 lowery diesel, Rock island silver box car, L&N flat car with 2 wood loads and a caboose, red, that Had HObbyline printed on it. Boxed penn line cars and the small diesel boxed. He had many other boxed unbuilt kits. Laconia, Roundhouse, HObbyline, Central valley, Aries models, gondolas flats and hoppers by Selley, Lots of stuff. The only thing he had I got was a Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2 #3000, the same one as sold in 1957 by Lionel.
photo of my stuff from the show.
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I think, I have a mate to that PRR Rivarossi E-8A you got here! NICE, and the New One Models, 4-4-2 looks to be in really good shape!
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Posted - September 29 2013 : 4:17:06 PM
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That's a Rivarossi atlantic John.
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Posted - September 29 2013 : 4:25:23 PM
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Hi John. that is my son steve's work. He did 2 of them. He only used the drive from the spectrum decapod. Everything else he made, scratchbuilt.
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Posted - September 29 2013 : 4:40:15 PM
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Thanks Frank! I have to say that Steve done a GREAT job!!!!! That 2-10-0, looks AWESOME!
Justin, your right! It is a Rossi... It looked like a New One Models "Aristo" at first glance!
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Hi John. the decapod camelback is my son steve's work. He did 2 of them. He only used the drive from the spectrum decapod. Everything else he made, scratchbuilt.
* The challenger is a 1957 international brass model from Japan. Somewhere I have the manufactures name. This tender came with the loco.
* And Justin is right. The Atlantic is a 1957 model from Italy. Both the loco and tender bodies are made from Bake-o-lite. A early plastic. A identical tender was made by Rivarossi for use on its 2 different 0-8-0s.
* Rivarossi also made this model for Lionel. It is in there first HO catalog. It is the same bake-o-lite model. I realy don't know if this is a made for Lionel model or one made for sale under the Rivarossi name. I don't know what the differences are. In the 1957 AHC catalog, p-8, it is listed as a 4-4-2 Atlantic by Rivarossi. It sold for $32.50. The International 4-6-0 brass camelback sold for, $27.50. The International brass Challenger mentioned 2 paragraphs up sold for $95.00 .
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Frank, how much did you pay for that Atlantic? Been wanting one for years. I wanted to go to the Wayne show, but got really sick. 
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Posted - October 01 2013 : 1:42:10 PM
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The Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2 #3000.
Nelson the SP 4-4-2 has its problems. It is hard to find a good one to run. Most are for static display due to how fragile the plastic used is. I was so happy to see one, I only gave it a quick look over. As far as can be seen, this one only had a missing tender step. I wont be putting power to it unless I can get some new drivers under it. And not original ones. Maybe some Hornby ones. They make big double o drivers. This one for now is a shelf sitter, or a Interesting piece of scenery.
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Posted - October 01 2013 : 1:56:49 PM
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| frank if you need them let me know size ken
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Posted - November 14 2013 : 8:08:23 PM
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quote:CNJ I-5 camelback today.
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You know what it is the same today. It is at a place in the kitbash where attention goes to the I4 class. Summer is over and I found my attic again. I can actually spend some time up there so back to the I4. I spent some time on it, a little each day for the past week and I am getting the feel of making things again. Today I did the most. I even started on the second tender. I still don't like the cab and the forward walkways. I have redone the firebox and the rear walkways. Did a little detailing. That is where I am now.
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| That is really creative Frank. Is that styrene you use to build the cab and things? Barry
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Posted - November 15 2013 : 08:12:49 AM
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quote:That is really creative Frank. Is that styrene you use to build the cab and things? Barry
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Yes Barry, mainly styrene and plastic fillers. The problem with that is it isn't strong enough. On the I5 loco I use brass walkways and handrails. That holds up better to handling. On this the walkways are styrene. The styrene cabs have no strength at all and need to be carefully handled. The more you work with something the better you make it.
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Posted - November 15 2013 : 10:57:30 PM
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| Those Decapods are works of art Frank.....
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Posted - November 16 2013 : 5:01:34 PM
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Pete ; You mean my sons 2 decapod camelbacks. These ones.
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Posted - November 19 2013 : 6:22:34 PM
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Got some parts today and one car kit.
Here's a list. Then photos.
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A bunch of parts I got today.
Kentron old time oil headlight wit highly decorated support platform.
Mantua geared driver for a cast and brass locomotive.
Tenshodo streamlined passenger car truck sprung.
Colored jewels for marker lights.
Athearn HI-FI drive for a F7.
Penn-Line F7 frame & trucks not powered.
Nose weights for a GG1.
Lindsay diesel truck not powered.
Handrail stanchions.
Casting; generator brass.
Brass parts; small sand domes 3, small steam domes 2, trailing truck old time. Smoke box front, check valve with short pipe 8 or 10, Brass diesel switcher brass- a pair,
Cast part; sand dome.
6 DC 12 volt; motors.2 vertical shaft, 2 open frame, 2 can.
MDC power truck for box cab or climax, cast hand car kit,
Mantua old tine passenger car truck.
Mantua Tyco dynamic break for GP20, different types of metal coupler plates,
Odd cast driver.
Bunch of gears brass and plastic.
Globe; box car roof top support detail brass, plastic F7 wall,
Lead truck, 4 wheel, Liliput.
Revell diesel truck drive shaft 2, drive connector shaft, SW 7 power truck.
Kadee uncoupling magnets.
Cutting disks for dremel, and a disk holder.
Small vise.
I track wood bridge top section built.
Silver streak TEXACO tank car boxed not built.
Building lighting kit. One lamp.
Paper side for a Armour Packing Co. reefer.
Some screws and couplings.
And not mentioned ; A MGDT. In need of a paint job.
 
Silver Streak tank car kit.
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Posted - November 20 2013 : 01:04:50 AM
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| Tank car kit is cool. How did you forget to mention (or I missed reading) the classic MG?
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Posted - November 21 2013 : 10:13:10 AM
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Barry , I didn't list that. Gee I am sorry not to have. I am glad you pointed that out.
I'll go edit it and put it in.
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Posted - December 07 2013 : 12:02:35 PM
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Here is where my kit bash of the C.R.R.of N.J. I4 camelback is now.
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Posted - December 07 2013 : 12:50:47 PM
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the Camelback is looking sharp Can't wait to see it done 
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Posted - December 07 2013 : 1:40:43 PM
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| looking oh so sweet there frank,and am sure it will run purr-fect ken
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Posted - December 07 2013 : 1:59:56 PM
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Ken it is old Bachmann. If it, or should I say they, run at all I will be happy. Not exactly the most reliable of drives. They both ran before I started this kitbash.
* I have more do-dads to hang on it yet. Maybe I'll do some hand rails today.
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Posted - December 07 2013 : 2:26:25 PM
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Nice vintage parts lot you picked up there, Frank. I really like that small machine vise.
The Camelback is looking great. I think there's a special voodoo ritual to keep the axles from splitting.
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Posted - December 08 2013 : 6:34:56 PM
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Well I sat at the workbench . Me and my I4. Had a few Porter's. Did a little more work. actually accomplished a few things.
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| Very nice Frank. Doesn't that seem to be the way, though, that you take a locomotive you want to do a number on and make sure it's running so you don't have to take it apart so much once you "finish" it, then, after the work, and the pains-taking touch-ups, you find that you do indeed get to take it apart again. Right now, I'm looking at the smokebox number plate and wondering if you know where you can get miniature raised numbers that might fit in an HO number plate? Thanks, Barry
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Posted - December 11 2013 : 9:42:11 PM
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Well here it is today. Most of the work in the cab and railings.
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Engineer's Side;
Fireman's Side;
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Posted - December 11 2013 : 10:31:16 PM
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Fireman's side? Uh, I thought his was the back-side. That's why there's a small roof/cab on the tail of the loco. That is, for these mother hubbards/camel-backs.
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Posted - December 12 2013 : 08:01:12 AM
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For John; Controls for operating steam engines are always in the right side of the cab. This is the engineers side! The left side of the cab is the domain of the fireman, even on a camelback. On camelbacks yes the fireman worked almost always at the rear of locomotive tending the fire. On larger camelbacks assigned to heavy trains, 2 firemen were assigned, Almost all camelbacks didn't have strokers, coal feeding devices. One fireman wasn't enough to keep steam pressure up with such wide, and large fireboxes. It took two men to feed coal into the firebox when demands were high during up hill climbs, with heavy loads. On CRR of NJ's K class camelbacks,4-8-0, two firemen were almost always assigned. The warmest place on the camelback is the cab. Communication between engineer and fireman was necessary. The cab was still the best place for it. A lot less noise where verbal messages can be given. When tending the fire, the crew used of hand signals.
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Posted - December 16 2013 : 8:39:09 PM
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* today. a little more done. CRR of NJ I4 is coming along.
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| Hey Frank, that was good information (for me anyway) on the positions of the firemen in different situations. I'm looking at your locomotive now, and since I'm not well versed in these things, I'm wondering . . . is the entire front of that locomotive the smoke box and all the fire business is behind the cab? Thanks. Barry
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Posted - December 17 2013 : 07:29:25 AM
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Barry, you need to read more. The internet is full of information on how steam engines work.
* Here is a link to a book search that will open up a lot of info on books on railroad information. It opens to copies of a Monthly Magazine named " Railway and locomotive Engineering ". The books are indexed and this can help in a search. For dating the books you'll need to open one. Here is a sample of dates matched to the Volume listed.
*** Volume 17 is 1904, V- 27 is 1914, V-36 is 1923.
Enjoy your trip into the past.
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http://archive.org/search.php?query=railway%20and%20locomotive%20engineering
PS: I worked on the I4 today had good success in making, and installing the hinged deck plate that mounts to the loco, and extends to the tender. It came out so well that I am planning the hinged safety gates for the fireman's deck area , now that I have a fireman's deck area. It is like one detail leads to another.
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| Thanks Frank. I've been reading, but not expansively enough. I've been concentrating on the Colorado Midland which use to run about 40 feet from my back door "back in the day". So, I've studied the Baldwin and Schenectady locomotives that the CM used, but none of these were camelbacks. I'll check that link. Thanks, Barry
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More has been done to the I4. Some small handrail stanchions I got today will lead to the final detail addition to the I4. This is the I4 right now.
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| Looks light the headlight has a lense on it. If it does, what did you use?
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Posted - December 20 2013 : 8:14:28 PM
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there is nothing there. Just a casting with a open space there.
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The long awaited CRRofNJ I4 consolidation has been accepted by The PGW for freight and occasional passenger use.
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Posted - December 22 2013 : 5:04:09 PM
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view from the top
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| That's pretty darn slick Frank.
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Posted - December 22 2013 : 10:30:40 PM
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Watching all the pieces come together over time through this thread makes it that much cooler when the engine comes together! That's one tidy bit of workmanship.
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Good morning Don ! The pair of 2-8-0 camelback have really been a challenge for me. The I4 is done. All it need is a engineer a fireman and a touch of color here and there. The other one, The I5, the first I started still sits in limbo awaiting some finishing work . These 2 have not gone together easily. They started as Reading 2-8-0 camelbacks because Reading had the largest boilered one and would have been closer in size to the Bachmann boiler I started with. My trash can became the home for many failed cabs and boilers. A year and a half is to long to do any project. The I5 goes back on the work bench after new years. They should be quite a pair when double-headed, pulling a freight train.
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A workbench photo of the CRRofNJ I4 engineers side.
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Here are the pair of 2-8-0's all done now. CNJ I-4 and I-5 class.
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Moving on to next project.
*** P&R Old time 2-4-4 Suburban locomotives like Baldwin built back in 1880s. ***
** Here you see my Lionel 2-4-2 Columbia types. These are very toy like steam engines. I am going to rework two of them in 2-4-4 Suburban types. I'll keep three original. You can see two spare bodies in the upper left corner. These are the bodies I will rework.
* One of these is a #0643LT.
** Does anyone have spare tenders for this loco. I could use one or two ??? ***
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** First step place two 2-4-2 locomotives with the best bodies and the best drives, to be saved as Lionel collector items.
Next place remaining 3, 2-4-2s on ready track till needed in building process.
Next ready cutting board for work.
Next leave everything and check for cold beer.
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quote:A workbench photo of the CRRofNJ I4 engineers side.
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neat locos  but what is that flat loco behind the Camelback?
the 2-4-2s do look odd with them HUGE wheels on them 
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Posted - January 11 2014 : 12:59:27 PM
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hi frank,nice project,like the way you going,keep them photos coming,and have a cool one for me ken
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Posted - January 11 2014 : 2:14:07 PM
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Back from the hobby shop. Picked up 3 packages of Evergreen scale models strip styrene in different shapes. Also some sheet styrene that looks like wood boards. They still had Floquil engine black so I got 2 bottles. They also had a old section of Aristo Craft steel connecting bridge. Real old Polk Hobby stuff. I spent almost $30.
* Ben, what looks like a train is a photo frame.
* Ken, I'll keep the photos coming, and bottoms up.
frank
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Posted - January 11 2014 : 3:15:42 PM
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ah ok thanks
I loves finding them old train, cars or planes wall hangings
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Posted - February 10 2014 : 11:59:45 AM
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My train show finds from the New Hope train show yesterday.
frank
New Hope Train Show: 02-09-2014
Stuff list got at show today.
1 Gilbert #502 MKT stock car.
2 Gilbert #517 Mobil gas tank car.
3 Gilbert #33818 Great Northern, operating box car.
4 Gilbert #33819 NYC, operating box car.
5 Gilbert industrial diesel #31021.
6 Varney N&W covered hopper car.
7 Pittman Bride and Groom.
Historic Miniatures Building Kit, Santa Fe, Capistrano Depot, era 1894.
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Posted - February 10 2014 : 12:24:24 PM
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| frank,thats a great find,a pittman bride and groom set and boxed to boot,that has got to be a rare find ken
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