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Well I am always open to experimenting with new ideas, but frankly I think it is easier to convert Tyco cars to higher grade trucks than it is to get the original Tyco "snap-in" talgo style trucks to work properly. I have found that the ability to fine tune the play between the truck and body bolsters by adjusting the truck mounting screw can mean the difference between a derailment prone lemon and a trouble free runner.
That being said, it is a shame that there is no easy way to convert the Tyco "snap-in" truck to screw mounting, the tooling on the Tyco truck side frames is excellent and I especially like the addition of brake shoe detail. If anyone has ever modified the Tyco "snap-in" truck to a screw mount, I would be interested in hearing how it was done.
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Whenever possible, I retain the original Tyco trucks. They look good, I don't have to buy replacements, and Intermountain 33" wheelsets are a perfect replacement for the Tyco wheelsets, no 'tuning' necessary. Remove the coupler pocket from the truck and body mount a new Kadee.
Or, use the Kadee conversion parts and mount a knuckle coupler right on the Tyco truck.
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quote:I have never tried it but can you cut the snap in tabs off and glue on a small washer in their place?
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Isn't the Delrin plastic the Tyco trucks are made from resistant to most adhesives?
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Good news! Eight new cars have left the paint booth, the photo below represents the 4 varieties I have ready for decals..
The top left car is one of three L&N cars.
The top right car is one of two sliding door CNW cars.
The bottom left car is one CNW brown plugger
The bottom right car is one of two CNW yellow pluggers.
Stay tunned...
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For those of you who are detail oriented readers, you may be wondering why I only have two yellow CNW pluggers ready to paint when I originally announced I was going to do five (which I then revised down to four). Well, it turns out that I had a few paint "fails" while doing this pack of five.
Yellow as it turns out is a notoriously hard color to air brush, I think it has something to do with the pigments. While painting my five yellow CNW cars I had some trouble with the paint actually drying in mid air before landing on the surface of the shells. This results in a "sandy" texture to the paint's finish and poor adhesion to the surface that is to be painted.
The first of my five CNW pluggers had such a poor finish that I decided to strip it and paint it boxcar brown. The other four seemed to have passable finish so I went ahead and masked the sides in order to paint roof and ends.
All seemed well until I pulled off the masking tape, then this happened to two of my cars.....
I have been airbrushing my own cars for several years now and I still haven't mastered yellow!
Next time I will add more Modelflex "Extender" to my paint and keep my airbrush closer to the paint surface. Oh well, live and learn....
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It's not just airbrushing, yellow tends to be an absolute complete and total b****rd with most kinds of painting outside of automotive and house paint.
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Yup yellow can be a problem, have had problems with orange also. Have found that flat colors cover better then gloss colors.
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quote:Don't know if you tried it, I assume you have, but a light primer coat of flat white helps a lot. I use plain old inexpensive Krylon flat white spray can.
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I do primer coat all my cars before painting, the color you see on the bad spots is the primer color.
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The L&N cars are coming into focus...
Stay tuned....
PS: Note the "D" and "L" missing from "The Dixie Line" on the decal sheet, I used them for the "DL" markings on my PRR cars.
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Up next, my sliding door CNW cars...
As you can see, I also rely on books to get prototype lettering information. Just because the cars are old Tyco's doesn't mean they shouldn't be made to look as accurate as possible.
Not pictured are the yellow CNW pluggers and the NYC double door boxcar, they are half way through the painting process! Stay tuned...
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This is cooking along nicely.
I do have a request: Please don't buy any Mail Pouch boxcars off the internet for this project. I need one of those at some point snd they don't seem to be as common
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Posted - February 27 2016 : 11:52:28 PM
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There's 15 Tyco Mail Pouch boxcars on Ebay right now...
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quote:This is cooking along nicely.
I do have a request: Please don't buy any Mail Pouch boxcars off the internet for this project. I need one of those at some point snd they don't seem to be as common
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I have yet to strip a "billboard" plugger and I don't purchase my cars off of eBay so don't worry, your Mail Pouch cars will be safe.
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I think I have that same book you have on your CNW boxcar post. The hard back final CNW roster or some name like that, at work right now so I can look at it.
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quote:I think I have that same book you have on your CNW boxcar post. The hard back final CNW roster or some name like that, at work right now so I can look at it.
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I see you know your railroad books, the book is "Chicago and North Western Final Freight Car Roster" published by the CNW Historical Society.
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In this post I will show the masking and painting technique I employ.
First step is to mask your car with tape, this process is tedious but supper important.....
Once you have your tape in place, seal your tape edges with an overcoat of the color you have just masked over. This reduces the seepage of paint leaking under the tape edges caused by capillary action...
Once you are certain all gaps are sealed, apply your second color.
When you are finished painting, gently pull back the masking tape, avoid pulling the tape up !
If all works out well, you should have a flawless paint job, if not use a fine bristle paint brush to touch up any bad spots...
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Here is a close up of my New York Central double door box car, I am surprised at how easy it was to make this modification! Expect to see additional double door box cars in the future! 
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I picked up that CNW book in California of all places when it came out. It is the only non rock island train book that I own.
Waiting on the tax check to come in some I can get some parts etc for some of my projects done. 2 RI f units, several passenger cars, and several freight cars. Cant wait to get them done and post some pictures.
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quote:I picked up that CNW book in California of all places when it came out. It is the only non rock island train book that I own.
Waiting on the tax check to come in some I can get some parts etc for some of my projects done. 2 RI f units, several passenger cars, and several freight cars. Cant wait to get them done and post some pictures.
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Well, I hope I have inspired you to try making your own Tyco plugger rebuild!
I'm sure you have seen this RI car...
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Have a couple in storage, working on a bachman blue route rock one right now. The hobby store I have been going to has at lest 2 tycho plug door's. Also looking at lest 4 different engines for buying after I get done with current projects.
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Well I don't know what it is about my CNW pluggers, but if the paint is not giving me fits then the decals are!!!
This disintegration problem occurs when decals become brittle from age or improper storage. Fortunately there are "spray-on" and "brush-on" decal film products that can stabilize sick decals. The product I use is VitaClear's "Transfer Coat" shown below...
This product is designed to seal ink jet printer artwork on VitaCal Decal Paper but it's also effective for re-sealing commercially made decals as well. The product is simple to use, simply spray a mist of this material over the decal sheet and then let it dry.
Now if there was only a way of determining whether or not a decal set is in danger of falling apart before you attempt to soak and apply it.
Stay tuned...
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A preview of my CNW pluggers, I will get them finished as soon as I get a replacement decal set...
Stay tuned...
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had the same problem the other month will some locomotive number boards, sprayed several coats of gloss cote still fell apart, gave up and ordered some new decal sheets. Hope to get them and other stuff I ordered Friday afternoon.
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Here is a preview of my NYC double door boxcar...
Next step; frames, trucks, and weathering.
Stay tuned...
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I currently have 11 painted plugger shells ready for frames, today's project was mass producing modified Accurail frames to satisfy my project's current demand...
Next step, adding details, painting, weathering, trucks, couplers, and final installation. Stay tuned...
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I went to a local train show and swap meet today and guess what, more Tyco pluggers followed me home....
and among the pluggers I picked up today was one true gem that I have never seen before...
a promotional car for a mail order company called "E and H Model Hobbies Inc" from Philadelphia PA.
This car is a first generation version of the Tyco Plug Door Boxcar, complete with the original frame and the weight held in place by two interior shell posts (See GIC's Plug Door Boxcar post). Most interestingly, the shell is made out of a clear plastic , most cars from this era are made from white plastic so this is really unusual.
This company advertised its mail service in Model Railroader Magazine from September 1952 to January 1973. I could find no other info about this outfit.
In the next post I will get back to my rebuilds, stay tuned...
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Out of curiosity, do you own a Big Boy or a good strong freight lashup? It would be cool to see all 50 coupled up and pulled around when you've completed them
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quote:Out of curiosity, do you own a Big Boy or a good strong freight lashup? It would be cool to see all 50 coupled up and pulled around when you've completed them
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That is a good question, as I stated in the very first message of this post, the goal that I set for myself was to have enough rebuilt pluggers to make a 50 car train on my train club's portable layout at the "Trainfest" train show in November *.
Since the cars I am modeling are too modern for the steam era it wouldn't look right to use a Big Boy to pull them. The club's portable layout has no grades on its main line so I think two or three Athearn Super Powered F7 locomotives should be able to handle a train of this size.
The locomotives I will make for this train will be a subject for an independent post, I will announce that project as we get closer to November so stay tuned.
* Trainfest will be held on the second weekend of November in Milwaukee at the Wisconsin State Fairground's Exhibition Center.
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Well, I specifically thought of the Big Boys because they were not only powerhouses but lasted in service til '59.
But yeah, an F7 lashup or w/e works too.
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In a prior message in this post I showed how I modified some of my pluggers by using Detail West's cushion draft gear kit. As you may recall the Details West product yielded a really nice representation of cushion draft gear but required a lot of work to install.
In this post I would like to demonstrate an alternative product, Walthers part 920-2311 "Cushion Car Coupler Pocket 8-Pack"....
This simple Walthers kit has four advantages over the Details West product:
1. The parts are made of styrene plastic
2. Assembly and installation is fast and easy.
3. This kit is reasonably priced. (Walthers costs $1.75 per car vs. $2.50 per car for the Details West product)
4. This kit includes INSTRUCTIONS!!!
Not that you really need instructions, assembly is self explanatory as the following photo montage shows....
I will soon have pictures of the Walthers kit on a completed car, stay tuned....
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well the current address shows a clothing & a Rite-Aid there now 
so fun to GE old addresses to sees what is there NOW!
I would NOT rebuild that car!
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quote:well the current address shows a clothing & a Rite-Aid there now
so fun to GE old addresses to sees what is there NOW!
I would NOT rebuild that car!
keep it as-is
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I agree, the E&H car will stay "as-is".
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Three more cars completed, check out my new Louisville and Nashville plugger rebuilds...
More cars are on the way, stay tuned!!!
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looks good , keep them coming.
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Two more cars completed!!!! Plane Jane CNW boxcars, simple classics...
More cars are coming! Stay tuned!!!!
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Lookin' goof
Speaking of classics, going to have any Union Pacific cars amongst this lot?
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quote:Lookin' good
Speaking of classics, going to have any Union Pacific cars amongst this lot?
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You bet, I am going to do a few UP double door boxcars soon.
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Two more finished cars...
Note that these cars have welded sides and Walther's cushion draft gear.
There are more cars on the way, stay tuned!
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These followed me home saturday, can i keep them?
the BN cleaned up nice, the white one is till soaking, not sure what paint they uaed.
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quote:These followed me home saturday, can i keep them?
the BN cleaned up nice, the white one is still soaking, not sure what paint they used.
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Are you going to repaint them?
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Hello all,
I will be taking a one week hiatus so that I can take sorely needed vacation with my wife. I will pick up with the rebuilding program as soon as I get back home!
In the mean time, try a rebuild of your own and show it off here! I would love to see what you can come up with!
I'll be back soon....
Scott
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Have a good trip with your wife.
The Bn one is stripped, the white one is still stripping though paint on it. Have to look through my decal sheets to see what scheme I will do.
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I'm back from vacation, expect some new cars soon.
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How dare you take a vacation and make your faithful followers wait.
Where'd you go?? I used to go up the Bruce Peninsula during summers.
God's country. Take me home to Georgian Bay.
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Here is my completed double door rebuild....
I think it turned out quite well!!
Expect more double door projects in the future.
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Posted - March 20 2016 : 11:47:06 PM
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quote:How dare you take a vacation and make your faithful followers wait.
Where'd you go?? I used to go up the Bruce Peninsula during summers.
God's country. Take me home to Georgian Bay.
Originally posted by Chops124Â -Â March 20 2016Â :Â 12:26:25 PM
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I went to Tucson Arizona, and yes I did go railfanning.
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Edited by - Srenchin on March 21 2016 11:21:09 AM
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Posted - March 21 2016 : 12:21:03 AM
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Here are some pictures I took on my Tucson trip....
Semaphores at the Arizona Railway Museum in Chandler Arizona
Southern Pacific Mogul at the Southern Arizona Transportation Museum in Tucson
Saguaro (pronounced SAW-war-oh) cactus in the Saguaro National Park
Sabino Canyon
Locomotives at the Arizona Railrway Museum in Chandler
I will post more photos if there is any interest.
PS: There is a critter in one of these pictures, can you find it?
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Edited by - Srenchin on March 21 2016 11:29:18 AM
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