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At the Train Show this past weekend. I picked this up. It did not run due to a burnt out armature and missing wiper. I replaced it and it now runs. So now I'm trying to figure out some information about it. The Shell is definitely Mantua / Tyco. The Drive is a diecast frame with Made in Japan stamped on it. I seem to remember that the early Mantua trolleys, the drives were not made by Mantua. In the late 1950's they switched to the MU drives. Like the ones in the Diecast Sharks. The catalog Number was 214. Mantua / Tyco made 7 road names, 214A Coney Island, 214B Main Street, 214C Crosstown, 214D Nob Hill, 214E Wabash Ave, 214F Beal Street, and 214G Broadway. But, there was no Lake Shore. 
I cannot find too much information about the Road name. It has Lake Shore and PRT logo on sides. PRT stands for Philadelphia Rapid Transit. On the front it has number 2013 and the word Wayne. There was a Wayne Branch service on the PRT. I cannot find any reference to it, on any Web site. Anyone have any Ideas...?? Carl
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Posted - March 25 2010 : 9:39:51 PM
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neat trolley I want one & isn't this trolley close to the Birney cars? Otherwise i dunno where to find one 
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Posted - March 25 2010 : 9:52:57 PM
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It looks like a custom paint job. Can you post photos of the drive? Does it differ in any way from the Mantua drive, aside from the Japan stamp?
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Posted - March 25 2010 : 10:31:49 PM
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I agree. It definitely looks like a very well-done custom job to me. Especially because of the cantenary pole and the driver.
If you look closely, I wonder if you can see hand-painting or decals?
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Posted - March 25 2010 : 10:34:07 PM
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The Shell is not decaled.. It is Printed onto shell.... The drive looks like the Mantua ones, I remember seeing.. The trolley Pole doesn't look original... Looks Like a PSM (Bowser) Brand or Suydam.
Here are some more Pictures. There are two things I'm trying to find out. 1) Who or what made this.. Could be a special run.. Uncataloged Item..
2) Some information on the Lake Shore Line of the PRT... 
The Type of Trolley is a possible Brill design... Carl
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Edited by - VintageHO on March 25 2010 11:08:05 PM
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Posted - March 25 2010 : 10:46:54 PM
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I also think it's a custom paint job you're looking at. The number of decals and somewhat sloppy paint (around the edges only!) would indicate that to me.
Of course, I know nothing about the drive either, sorry. Looks like a damned simple and solid design though. The gear system gives me the impression that it runs like a bat outta hell!
    
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Posted - March 25 2010 : 10:51:55 PM
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I agree the paint is a little sloppy. There are No decals on it. The Sloppy over-spray Paint Job is common to 1950s Japanese Trains.. The way the Number 2013 is not lined up. It is a Stamped on number. All the other lettering looks stamped also. It is Quick, with a 5 pole motor and no weight to pull... Carl
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Posted - March 25 2010 : 11:47:38 PM
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It's a custom/owner repaint, but the silouettes might reveal the maker.
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Posted - March 26 2010 : 12:48:38 AM
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Hmmm... a Japanese Mantua knockoff, maybe? Curiouser and curiouser. I remember someone showing an early Mantua trolley, and IIRC, it had one driven axle and a plastic frame. Maybe a company like New One made a clone.
I like how the driver is riveted to the frame. He might want to sit down after 50 years or so.
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Posted - January 21 2015 : 6:00:29 PM
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quote:Hmmm... a Japanese Mantua knockoff, maybe? Curiouser and curiouser. I remember someone showing an early Mantua trolley, and IIRC, it had one driven axle and a plastic frame. Maybe a company like New One made a clone.
I like how the driver is riveted to the frame. He might want to sit down after 50 years or so.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â March 26 2010Â :Â 12:48:38 AM
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Silvine I think. Five years later, lol.
http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15390
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Posted - January 21 2015 : 10:03:33 PM
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The little extra detail is nice .. the service walkways on the roof.
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Posted - January 22 2015 : 12:05:04 AM
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| Those silhouettes look like the ones that Mantua put in their early 1860s passenger/combine cars.
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Posted - January 25 2015 : 09:17:38 AM
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This may be the proto line:
http://www.lakeshorerailmaps.com/
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Posted - January 25 2015 : 10:41:59 AM
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I always think whenever I see stories on the trolleys and interurban lines....how we shot ourselves in the foot by getting rid of them and going with automobiles, trucks and buses almost exclusively. All that infrastructure trashed. I know there were valid reasons, at least at the time - but just think if we had maintained it all.
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Posted - January 25 2015 : 11:35:49 AM
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quote:I always think whenever I see stories on the trolleys and interurban lines....how we shot ourselves in the foot by getting rid of them and going with automobiles, trucks and buses almost exclusively. All that infrastructure trashed. I know there were valid reasons, at least at the time - but just think if we had maintained it all.
Originally posted by JNXT 7707Â -Â January 25 2015Â :Â 10:41:59 AM
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 Pretty much every major city in the country that had them would become much like what San Francisco is now. That would be pretty cool but alas, we will never fully get that. 
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Posted - January 25 2015 : 7:43:24 PM
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quote:I always think whenever I see stories on the trolleys and interurban lines....how we shot ourselves in the foot by getting rid of them ... I know there were valid reasons, .
Originally posted by JNXT 7707Â -Â January 25 2015Â :Â 10:41:59 AM
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One of the BIG reasons they disappeared? GM, yeah that company, bought up many of the trolley companies, as they were producing buses in the 40's and 50's. They scrapped the trolley and streetcar lines as being "too expensive", and since they bought the companies, who could say they couldn't? Replaced by more-mobile buses. Sad, but something that happens when competition encroaches, or you're trying to bring out a new technology. Just buy the competition, and swallow them up. Washington DC is trying to bring back the trolley/streetcar, has met heavy opposition, it's close, it may run this summer (2015), no deadlines or opening start dates are being set yet. Politics and economics are playing a role in preventing it moving online quicker. If/when it comes to fruition, I will head down to DC to get some pictures of it. And ride it. :)
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Posted - January 25 2015 : 7:48:56 PM
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true AMC but Standard Oil & Firestone were in on the Trolley Car Conspiracy too 
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Posted - January 25 2015 : 11:27:32 PM
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The world has reshaped itself in such a way that streetcars and trollies will have a harder time fitting in. There's a LOT more traffic on those streets where the autos and streetcars used to mix. Think of getting off of the trolley car and being run over by another kind of car.
There used to be downtowns, back in the day, and you could take the streetcar there and do all of your errands. Now, they've built a bypass around the town and moved the town out to the bypass. Your errands are in huge stores spread over miles of busy roads and huge parking lots.
100 years ago, you probably worked at the big factory in your home town and enough people were going your way to fill a streetcar or other public conveyance. Now, you've typically got a career that is forever moving your job farther from your home so that you move from a long suburb to suburb commute to a longer one every few years. No two people are going from the same point A to the same point B at the same time.
The past convenience of having your own transportation going on your own schedule and your own route has remade the world so that other ways of living are barely possible, much less feasible.
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Posted - January 26 2015 : 09:39:08 AM
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quote:The world has reshaped itself in such a way that streetcars and trollies will have a harder time fitting in. There's a LOT more traffic on those streets where the autos and streetcars used to mix. Think of getting off of the trolley car and being run over by another kind of car.
There used to be downtowns, back in the day, and you could take the streetcar there and do all of your errands. Now, they've built a bypass around the town and moved the town out to the bypass. Your errands are in huge stores spread over miles of busy roads and huge parking lots.
100 years ago, you probably worked at the big factory in your home town and enough people were going your way to fill a streetcar or other public conveyance. Now, you've typically got a career that is forever moving your job farther from your home so that you move from a long suburb to suburb commute to a longer one every few years. No two people are going from the same point A to the same point B at the same time.
The past convenience of having your own transportation going on your own schedule and your own route has remade the world so that other ways of living are barely possible, much less feasible.
Originally posted by scsshaggy - January 25 2015 : 11:27:32 PM
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That's actually quite creepy because of how true it is. I should know, my dad usually changes jobs every 5 years or so, on top of the fact that almost every time we need to go shopping for freezer food and whatnot, we go to a supermarket outlet miles away in some other town. It's all very true, which is actually kinda sad now that I think about it.
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