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 Posted - March 11 2010 : 5:02:52 PM
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This post on the seals only covers the Alco 430 models done by Tyco in the 1776l livery. These are the only 3 seals i know of as i have looked at thousands of 1776 locomotives that have been sold on ebay and train shows
This seal is the rarest - is mint and may be the only one in existence as it came on a locomotive i purchased off ebay that is mint un-used. The locomotive had the 1 st gen power torque single screw holding truck cradle. This seal has not been seen on any other locomotive to date and many of you may have never seen this seal either
This is the Presidential Lettered seal - hard to find in excellent condition - Can make the engine value soar depending on condition of seal. this was Tyco's first issue seal on 1776 lAlco 430 models from 1973-1974. Supposedly a recall was ordered by the Goverment during this time on this seal as Tyco didn't have permission to use this seal with lettering - well as you can see many survived and i own several - one is mint in sealed plastic
This seal is the re-issued one after the lettered version -aprroximatly 1975. This is the most common seal found on 99% of all Tyco Spirit of 76 engines on ebay now.
If you have seal that is not pictured that Tyco used - please post.
Edited by - Brianstyco on March 11 2010 10:01:01 PM
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Posted - March 12 2010 : 07:34:32 AM
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quote:
This seal is the rarest - is mint and may be the only one in existence The locomotive had the 1 st gen power torque single screw holding truck cradle. This seal has not been seen on any other locomotive to date and many of you may have never seen this seal either
Originally posted by Brianstyco - March 11 2010 : 5:02:52 PM
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so, the wings are browner mostly, right? I have one of these. The powered truck has a single screw in the middle, silver. The other 430's I have have black screws, 3 of them. And the side pieces are more silver, too, the others are grayer. Interesting. Make that TWO in existence. I'll try to post pics sometime of it soon. I was swapping the trucks out of the Bicentennial unit into a translucent shell to use for a Ghost Train project, but if the parts and engine are so rare, I may just have to put it back the way it was. I've had this engine for 7-8 years, got it off Ebay, and just had it stored away until recently. Thanks for the info on them, I've heard about the seal, but didn't realize that there were more than 2 of them. I have other Bi's as well, I'll have to check them eventually when I run across them. Was this seal just limited to the 430's, or was it on the F7 diesels and others that had Bicentennial paint schemes?
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Posted - March 12 2010 : 08:50:10 AM
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| AMC - Look at the star pattern and center of decal - yes-the browns are different as are other colors and the Eagle is different too- it is noticeably different than bottom common seal. I honestly didn't think anyone else had an example. The seal i have pictured is on a 76 locomotive i have that is missing the stars on side from factory.
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Posted - March 12 2010 : 09:32:12 AM
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Here is side by side comparison. easier to see the differences between the two.  Carl
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Posted - March 12 2010 : 6:10:42 PM
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Here's on on a 76 I have. Looks like the one deemed rare. It has a 3 screw PT motor. The blue color in my pics looks darker than it is in person.
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Posted - March 12 2010 : 7:58:58 PM
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ER,
Your's has a screw in tank and not snap in which usually has only one screw on the power truck. Also the sideframes have 4 leaf springs showing and the typical early Power Torque had only 3 showing. The truck bottom would snap on the on the cast truck and
have separate draft gear boxes.
I don't have any seal that looks like yours and Brian's. I'm going to have to keep an eye out for this.
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Posted - March 12 2010 : 9:08:40 PM
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EagerLock - I would say yours is a 1975 also. Yours is power torque 2nd generation then. Thanks for posting your example. The colors on stripes do vary as does the red roof cab paint.
Edited by - Brianstyco on March 12 2010 9:11:15 PM
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Posted - March 12 2010 : 11:10:32 PM
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Brian, I agree with EagleRock -- his seal looks like a match of your rare version. The star ring is much closer to the gold border than on the 1975 seal, and the shield is the same shape as your first example, etc.
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Posted - March 13 2010 : 09:27:17 AM
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quote:. I honestly didn't think anyone else had an example.
Originally posted by Brianstyco - March 12 2010 : 08:50:10 AM
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Well, I work in Production and Manufacturing, and I can tell you companies don't waste money by choice. If some graphic weren't up to standard, they still might use it on a very limited run until they make a better one. Makes no sense to sell one of something, you either scrap the graphic, or use it for a limited run to make something back on the costs. My Train show travels are limited to Virginia, Maryland, West Virginia, and I may do Pennsylvania sometime. There's still a LOT of territory across the USA I'll miss looking at Bicentennial engines, even on Ebay, so there's probably more out there, just very , very few of them by now. I'd say you'll see more Bi engines at a train show than on Ebay, just that they want way more for them than I'll pay.
Anyway, neat Tyco history lesson, Brian, I'll keep my eyes open for more of those.
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Posted - March 13 2010 : 2:06:32 PM
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Brian,
Is your version a 3-screw PT powered version with the screw-in tank weight? Most of the screw-in tank weight versions have the one screw snap-on truck with the 3 leaf sideframes.
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Posted - March 13 2010 : 4:47:08 PM
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quote:Brian,
Is your version a 3-screw PT powered version with the screw-in tank weight? Most of the screw-in tank weight versions have the one screw snap-on truck with the 3 leaf sideframes.
Originally posted by Alco Fan - March 13 2010 : 2:06:32 PM
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Bob - The power on mine is single screw snap truck with fang coupler pockets. I am going to shoot a single video of it and post
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Posted - April 24 2010 : 10:31:51 AM
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quote:Brian, I agree with EagleRock -- his seal looks like a match of your rare version. The star ring is much closer to the gold border than on the 1975 seal, and the shield is the same shape as your first example, etc.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â March 12 2010Â :Â 11:10:32 PM
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Nelson - sorry for delayed reply - Thanks - yes his seal is same
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