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 Posted - March 29 2009 : 11:37:21 AM
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Hi All, I just purchased and am awaiting a red-box Tyco set with 3 streamline Penn Central cars. What seems unusual though, is the F-9 is in Pennsy colors instead of PC. Set is labeled T-6802a. Did Tyco actually do this--My theory is that with the PC merger in '68, Tyco may have made a set before getting out the new F-9. (or this set isn't all original!). Has anyone seen this? Thanks
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Posted - March 29 2009 : 12:51:23 PM
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Saw that ebay listing a week or whatever-it-was-ago. Didn't pay any special attention. Would have been an easy after-the-sale substitute, or as you say, the Pennsylvania / Penn Central relationship kind of makes it a possible factory flub.
However, the set stock# is a potential clue. 6802 means this was the second set cataloged for 1968... but this would have been assigned in late 1967 in preparation for the upcoming year. Penn Central was formed in February 1968. So a set made in Jan68 would not have had PC in it... and it's is very possible it was a factory substitute.
One should note that ALL of Tyco's PC locomotives are pure, silly rush-job fantasy. PC NEVER had a jade green loco that I have been able to find. However, Tyco did seem to have fun with the mismatched "red and white P vs C" as the real road did, and Tyco's Red-and-white PC loco on the F-unit is perhaps a reactive clue to its production date. The real Penn Central used an all-white logo until late 1968, when they began indiscriminately highlighting either the P or C in red; this was a rare case of political corporate "us vs them" infighting made public! But PC never did use all-red PC logo like Tyco eventually did... yay for another classic Tyco screw-up!
So, given this more thought... I do now lean toward it *could* be an early factory-substitution set. Which is kinda cool, but only if you really take the time to view it in its historical time-frame context, as I just have.
But, as all the contents are so widely available, to mix-and-match after the fact, I do not think it has any special value. I have a PC F7 A&B to drop right in.
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Posted - March 29 2009 : 1:35:51 PM
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| Thanks for the insight--maybe I can get a better feeling for it when I see it. Seller said it appears unused (we'll see...). I suppose it could only be verified if someone else has experience with a similar set, or if it appeared in a catalog this way--which seems doubtful. I don't think I overpaid, though--just kind of an impulse purchase--I'll just be happy if it's in nice condition. If it DID come this way, it would be somewhat of a rare prototype move for Tyco, as PC trains were hauled by ex-PRR locos!
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Posted - April 01 2009 : 11:08:17 PM
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Hey Adams, another "transitional" set seems to be listed:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tyco-Diesel-Power-Electric-Railroad-Train-Set-MIB-HO_W0QQitemZ380114855116QQihZ025QQcategoryZ19140QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Again we have a Pennsy F-Unit, but now with a Penn Central caboose. But what's most interesting is this set is from 1969 - a full year after the merger.
Seems plausible, but I'd have thought they'd have had the PC F-units ready by then. Or maybe they were just trying to use up stock on Pennsy units?
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Posted - April 03 2009 : 08:44:41 AM
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| Thanks--interesting--a bit more anecdotal evidence it seems--unless these people are somehow able to find PRR locos to replace PC units--For some reason, it reminds me of comedian Steven Wright's line about how everything in his apartment was stolen and replaced with an exact replica!
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Posted - April 03 2009 : 09:24:14 AM
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what about the BN merger? even AFTER the merger I has seen pics of a cascade green caboose with BN markings EXCEPT it had a big NP logo on the side  then there was the C&S which BN used on its cars & locos till 1980  even after several railroads merge you can't exactally paint all your locos & cars at the same time even now I still see the occasional pre-merger cars & even extinct railroads 
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Posted - April 03 2009 : 11:47:44 AM
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| True--maybe it worked the same with Tyco. I know they were not above substitutions in their sets--my original '69 Sears set had a couple of different cars than were pictured on the box. As for the prototype, I worked for BNSF in '99, and there were still plenty of BN green locos, not to mention freight cars still in NP, GN, CB&Q.
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