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 Posted - September 08 2008 : 10:49:04 PM
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I just had an opportunity to buy a limited edition Rivarossi Black Jack GG1 in the wooden box, with the paperwork and brass plaque for $35. I emailed a completed auction link to the seller so he could see the photos and verify that everything was included, but naturally when he saw that it went for $130, he took it off the market.
My conscience is clear, because I wouldn't want to knowingly rip someone off, but the little kid in me who wanted it feels like the biggest moron in the world. 
Some days you just can't win. 
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 10:23:54 AM
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| Look at the bright side, you don't feel like a thief either!
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 2:03:57 PM
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Some years back, I bought a Rivarossi Cab forward from a woman at a swap meet for $25. I told her she could do much better on Ebay, easily $100-125. She said that that was OK, her son told her what he wanted for it because of a glitch in the running gear. I don't know whether she saw how badly my hands were trembling as I handed her the $25. A clear conscience is always the better option.
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 2:38:07 PM
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hi ishaygetz bet you 50 dollars you would not sell it to me for 25 dollars ken
=$75
PS NEVER HAVING SEEN ONE OPERATE HOW DOES COAL GET TO FURNACE
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 4:45:11 PM
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| I believe they ran on oil rather then coal.
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 7:39:20 PM
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Hypop is right... all the Cab Forwards had to be oil burners, or the fireman was going to get a workout, lol!
Yeah, I guess the clear conscience is better. That's what I keep telling myself, anyway.
There's a suddenly a glut of old Rivarossi over on the HO Yard Sale group on Yahoo at good prices. The guy with the Black Jack just let a Pennsy 2-8-8-2 go for $30. That would have gone for a lot more as well.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOYARDSALE/
There are a number of GG1's, including a bicentennial commemorative version with the belt buckle.
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 8:05:46 PM
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Hey guys:
I think it depends on what you value. If you conceal something out of artifice thats one thing. If you are a buyer, your responsibility is to get the best deal you can. Don't lie certainly, but don't be foolish either. Research for the seller is not your responsibility.
Everyday when I'm towing someone I get someone telling me why I should discount my price to be a "good guy". I ask them when was the last time the discounted their wages, to offer a customer of their company a break. Not one has come up with one.
Besids NP, you can always do a service for another human being if your think lady luck favoured you and you want to put something back in the cosmic good lucl pool, feel free.
Anyway, just my thoughts. I don't intend to start an argument over this and I hope no one will take offense at my remarks...
Best,
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 11:08:41 PM
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Have to say I agree with Gareth 100% on this. Note that the seller apparently didn't think twice on withdrawing his original offer once he had new info - some might argue that was a shady thing to do. Sellers have access to the same amount of research as buyers. To consider another marketplace: if an ebay seller throws an insane cheap BuyItNow out there (yes this does happen), when a little research on their part might have entitled them to start the price higher, do you inform them of the "error"? Or jump on that BIN before someone else beats you to it?
On the flipside - for $35 you might have considered the papers and plaque extra gravy if they'd been there. I know where you were coming from on that so don't take that personally, I don't mean to offend... but sometimes if you look a gift horse in the mouth, you get bit.
I truly believe in collectors' karma - for every great deal you get, sometimes you don't make out so well. Or put it another way: for every "ouch" $81 Pennsy 430, there's a "yay!" $20 GN 430 ;)
Here's another anecdote. I coveted an NP shark for years since the first time I saw it on Tony Cook's site. Very few have turned up in any venue, ebay included... And in fact, I once bid on one for well even more than that $80 benchamrk everyone thought was so crazy... and STILL LOST!
The next time I saw one on ebay, I sent a message to the seller. There were no bids yet and I asked if they would consider a direct sale, I had been looking for that engine a LONG TIME and what did they want for it? I was upfront in telling them I *really* wanted the engine - the seller could have used that against me, but instead replied with a ridiculously cheap asking price - I about did cartwheels when I saw the number, I couldn't believe my luck! Needless to say the deal was done on the spot. They only asked for $25 shipped!
Now, I sent them a good deal more than that - conscience, as you say. For that I ended up with a matching mint box insert that was unadvertised and a FLAWLESS loco. With the money I was otherwise prepared to drop on that loco but saved, I sent some stuff free to Eric DaCheez instead.
It all averages out in the end.
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 11:30:10 PM
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When I went to a swap meet in June, the guy, obviously a vendor, had a near mint AHM 2-8-8-2 Y6b on the table for $30 that I immediately snapped up. In his case, he was a regular seller, who, with a little research and oomph, could have made out much better. I felt no need to tell him what he had.
On the other hand, the woman obviously wasn't a dealer---the table setup screamed "My husband passed away recently and this appears to be a great place to get rid of his trains.", and knew very little about what she had. I could not buy the Cab forward without first letting her know what she could get.
In both cases I got great deals and a clear conscience, something I prize in this day of my pastoral peers running around in Hummers and million dollar motor homes.
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Posted - September 10 2008 : 05:28:20 AM
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Gareth and Tony are right. I was a bit miffed that the guy welched on the deal after listing it for $35, since he is a seller on that Yahoo group and should know the going rate. As a buyer, I have no obligation to keep him informed of what a simple Google search turned up. If he's going to sell his collection, he should be doing his own due-diligence before putting a price on it. As buyers we are always warned "caveat emptor," so the same can be said for sellers as well.
Tony, I sent him the link for the pictures without even stopping to think about the final bid until after I hit send... D'oh!  Then I was just hoping he didn't want the hassle of putting it up for auction and just wanted to get rid of some stuff, which I've seen people do on the various forums. Normally I wouldn't have been so concerned that it was absolutely complete at that price, but money is very tight for me right now. In fact it was money I probably shouldn't be spending at all, so maybe it's a blessing in disguise, although the resale value would have offset that if I were going to sell it... which I wouldn't.
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Posted - March 02 2009 : 9:34:56 PM
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try fuel oil guys the UP Challenger & 844(4) uses fuel oil too 
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Posted - October 04 2011 : 8:10:10 PM
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What I Do, Is Only Tell My Dad About An Auction, And Wait Till 8 Seconds Left And Dive Bomb The Auction. It Works Nearly Every Time.
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Posted - October 04 2011 : 8:18:38 PM
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CVT, I use BIDNIP, it makes the bid for you. I set it to bid with only 3 seconds left, leaving no time for another bid.
I use it on auctions that I really want. If you bid mid auction, the bidders drive the price up. Sometimes I play bid during an auction, limiting myself to bid less than half the price of my final SNIPE!
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Posted - October 05 2011 : 06:52:19 AM
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quote:When I went to a swap meet in June, the guy, obviously a vendor, had a near mint AHM 2-8-8-2 Y6b on the table for $30 that I immediately snapped up. In his case, he was a regular seller, who, with a little research and oomph, could have made out much better. I felt no need to tell him what he had.
Originally posted by shaygetz - September 09 2008 : 11:30:10 PM
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* You dont know everything about dealing trains. They are there to sell, not pack up trains at the end of the show to bring back home. There are some dealers that are antique merchants. They know the value of a item and hold on to it till the right price is given. Usually for years. Just because you have something valuable doesn't mean the right person will come by at that show and want it. I have been watching a few dealers at the Pennsy shows. One has his Gilbert. Another has his Trainminature. Both have collectors prices. Both go home with most all of their expensive stuff. You dont see too many people out there with the cash they had 5 years ago. Maybe he got the trains at a good price and was just making a quick buck. Passing on the deal. It beats taking the trains back home and fixing them again.
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Posted - March 26 2012 : 8:42:47 PM
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Went to last years Concord Model Railroad Club, train show, and picked up a Brass 0-6-0 by Samsongsa for $40.00 needs motor. Nothing more! I felt like a turd after walking away, when I got it home to see if all was good on the motor, found that some screwball had epoxied a spring on the motor shaft, and then onto the worm gear shaft, totally locking up the bushings!
~John
Many have tried to, and failed, ya just can't repair stupid... 
Do NOT try to Idiot-Proof anything!!!! God, will simply create a better......IDIOT!
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Posted - March 26 2012 : 9:25:14 PM
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John, did you ever get the epoxy out of the bearings? It can usually be chipped away.
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Posted - March 27 2012 : 8:46:46 PM
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Nelson,
Yep, I got it all cleaned up, I soaked the bushings suspended in Acetone for a week...... From a glass bottle filled just enough to cover the bushings.....Now all I need to do is add in a new motor, (was a DC-90 open frame motor so..... it'll get canned'
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