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 Posted - December 12 2005 : 7:30:59 PM
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Hello
Has anyone got in their collection or have seen an example of TYCO's Tide Detergent or Arm & Hammer Baking Soda Covered Hoppers? My guess is that they are prototypes and did not ever get production runs. Anyone have any info?
Thanks
Tony Cook
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 Posted - January 01 2006 : 2:34:22 PM
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I have seen neither and have looked very hard. I'm thinking they were production photos that never made a public release.
I have seen an Arm & Hammer 50' box car though.
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Posted - January 01 2006 : 11:19:36 PM
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Speaking of Tyco cars pictured in their catalogs but I've never seen, do the following exist?
The Oreo and Pepsi (that paint scheme) 62' Box Cars
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Posted - January 02 2006 : 8:34:15 PM
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Hello
I think the Oreo, Pepsi with "It's Got a Lot to Give" slogan, and the Pillsbury Flour are all pre-production prototypes and NONE exist as regular production offerings.
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 Posted - June 16 2006 : 2:06:25 PM
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All,
I have been actively researching this one for about 15 years. These 5 cars appear to be the Holy Grail of Tyco collecting, aside from the Texas 2-10-4 that supposedly "doesn't exist," but mysteriously showed up on-and was deleted from- eBay almost 10 years ago, with a last bid of about $400.00
I have spoken -at length - to a highly regarded and reputable dealer that frequents the Timonium and York shows religiously, doing so for over 25 years. He not only was an avid Tyco billboard car collector, he owned a hobby store through the late '60's and all of the '70's, and ordered direct from Tyco (in Woodbury Heights) often. He was very familiar with freight cars, as he couldn't keep the billboard cars on his shelves between 1971 and 1978 (and he always kept a few aside for himself).
He mentioned that '78 was the year he noticed a slump in sales, train-wise. Each time he placed a sizable order for billboard cars, he selected ALL of the boxes on the order form. Tide, Oreo, Arm & Hammer & Pillsbury never came with his orders, even after he inquired about them.
He never got a reply. ("X Files" theme fades up...)
He has emphatically stated that, "those 5 freight cars never saw a retail store shelf." I tend to agree with him.
I am of the belief that Tyco was scrambling to put together a catalog while their R&D and Marketing Dept's were also scrambling to meet deadlines. It is very probable that pics were shot of prototyes and "mock-ups" of freight cars that never made it to the molds. If you notice in the same catalogs, the depicted triple dome tank cars are also quite different from what was initially offered retail-wise.
With the advent of the internet, Alps printing, do-it-yourself pad-printing and economical accessibilty to silk-screening, I am very surprised that frauds of these 5 cars have not surfaced.
Uhhh....Great...I just opened a can of worms, didn't I???
-theoldreliable
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Posted - August 15 2006 : 7:01:10 PM
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| In 1980-i tried to order the Oreo car and Armor Baking soda as they were still on the forms at the hobby shop i went to and which is still in buisness today. They to could never get an answer from tyco. They had large orders placed for these cars and anxious railroaders wanting these cars not to mention a long list of names with quantity ordered. Brian
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Posted - August 16 2006 : 1:00:48 PM
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Tycoots:
I don't have anything absolutely germane to add to the VERY illuminating and informative comments and reminiscences of BRIANSTYCO and THE OLD RELIABLE. As an inveterate haunter of Wisconsin and Illinois Train Shops in my youth I don't recall any dealers ever taking shipment of the illusive big billboards in question. What I thoroughly enjoyed is the manner in which both these guys "contextualized" the debate by recalling the difficulty of train dealers getting certain high-demand articles of Tyco stock at the time. The tendency has been to simply dismiss Tyco as only a purveyor of cheap train sets thru chain retail outlets, forgetting the seminal role they played for model railroaders, even thru the "brown box" years. What I know about the particulars of the brown box "Consolidated Foods era" wouldn't fill a thimble compared to many of you, so I enjoy the injection of the "model railroading" equation into the Chatanooga/Rambo/A-Team/Transformers mix. Those dismissing Tyco as only cheap discount-store offerings forget, for example, that as late as 1970 they "owned" the full inside front cover page of "Model Railroader" for illustration of their model trains, with regular reviews of their offerings and product releases.
Thanks, OldReliable and BriansTyco, for the illumination
MagAc
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