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Hello All, Being a Tyco guy, a Veteran, and all-around patriot, please forgive me for being ever-so-slightly intrigued by British prototypes (I know nothing about them, though!). But when I saw this guy today, it just looked so cool, that I plopped down the $25 for it. All I know is it's from a maker called Dapol, apparently a British company, but made in the colony of Hong Kong. It's dressed in the British Railways (nationalized) scheme. It's an 0-6-0. Other than that, I know nothing--when was it built/used, what was it called? Any other info? Catforden are you there?? I will take this as a true test of this board's ability!
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Posted - March 21 2008 : 11:31:11 PM
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Hey:
I'm gonna go with "OO" scale "Terrier" Pannier Tank lcomotive!
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Posted - March 22 2008 : 2:22:47 PM
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| Thanks, Gareth! Of course the more you research, the more you want to know. My understanding is that OO is 1:76, but runs on HO (1:87) track. Which would seem to make an OO's superstructure look a bit big for the gauge. This little loco is so diminutive, however, I wonder if it is a case of actually making in in HO. It's much smaller that the smallest of my HO tank engines (yes, I know the U.S. versions were generally larger), but when I took my scale rule out to this, the cab floor to the roof only measured 5' in OO, but a more reasonable 6' in HO. The mystery goes on, I guess.
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Posted - March 22 2008 : 2:37:42 PM
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Hi:
I have a Lima OO 0-6-0 Shunter as the Brits say. It scales out pretty well for HO. I'll be using it as a pier switcher on my layout...
HO & OO are made for the British market by Hornby, Bachmann...
Here's my OO Shunter:
Originally the OO thing was to allow HO track operation but the motors available at the time would not fit in the dminutive UK loco shells at true HO therefore the 1:76th you see.
Hope that helps.
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Posted - March 22 2008 : 3:14:48 PM
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| Thanks....I guess if you wanted a British setup to look plausible, you'd need to make sure your locos and stock really all scale out to 1:76....or go the other way, scaling out to HO. Seems like they may call it all OO if it runs on HO track, no matter what the scale works out to. I was always under the impression that they had settled on 1:76 for everything, and lived with the compromise of slightly narrower rails. Of course, maybe it's just this particular piece I bought--after all, we all know that Tyco's 10-wheeler and diesel switchers are far from accurate!
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Posted - March 22 2008 : 3:37:03 PM
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You have it pretty much right , everything is 1:76th, except the rail. My Classa 08, I compared running board height, door and window size and concluded I could live with what it looked like
My back history on my pike was designed around a bunch of dierate pieces on a pike together...
This link will take you to that thread:
http://24.38.215.215/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2581&SearchTerms=backstory
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Posted - March 22 2008 : 5:15:20 PM
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hi everyone its oo and i believe hornby see link ken
http://www.hornby.com/locomotives-89/r2741-null/product.html
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Posted - March 22 2008 : 8:42:09 PM
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Good to hear from you, Catfordken...sure looks like the photo you sent, but it doesn't seem to be Hornby, someone called Dapol, out of Hong Kong. I absolutely trust you that the Hornby would have been made 1:76, but on this little guy, you would have had to been under 5 feet tall to be the loco driver! (the loco #'s are different also). I think the bug bit me, though, and I traded a couple of items to my local shop today and brought home what is, without a doubt, "OO." Please don't make me explain the Soo Line Hi-Cube in the background, though! Interesting thing about my 'new' loco, I disassembled it to clean and oil everything, and it has a pancake-type motor, ala, the Powertorque--but it seems to run much better. At any rate, if I do any serious British modelling, I think I'll try to buy British and not Chinese! 
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| Those are fine looking British-prototype locos. I have some old Hornby Dublo 3-rail, and love it! I may also get the Lionel Harry Potter set...have you seen those in person?
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Posted - March 23 2008 : 02:20:24 AM
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| Roy, actually saw that today--the store owner was explaining that the Harry Potter loco was a "Castle" series similar to what I got.
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Posted - March 23 2008 : 02:55:09 AM
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Hey Adams:
Amen to buying British over Chinese at least mainland. I say we don't help those folks build any Missile subs. Lets not help a future enemy.
I don't relish the idea of having to dust off my old uniform.
Best,
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Posted - March 23 2008 : 10:08:23 AM
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sorry adams sorry about that,see details below,they sold most of their loco moulds to hornby and their remaining wrenn stuff to 3 collectors,very nice models but not very powerful motors, the photo is of a typical london terrier of the late 1800s ken
Dapol Ltd is a Welsh model railway manufacturer based in Chirk, Wales. The factory where design and manufacturing take place is just over the border in England.
The Dapol trading name is known for its model railway products. As well as developing their own range of N gauge and 00 gauge models, the company produced products using the moulds and designs from Airfix and the former Hornby Dublo ranges which were purchased from G & R Wrenn in 1993. Unfortunately in 1994, while the company was moving to its previous location at Llangollen in North Wales, a huge fire destroyed the old site at Northwich near Manchester, and large amounts of products and of historical Wrenn material were destroyed.
In 1996 Dapol sold many of its model railway lines to Hornby.
In 1998 the company came under the control of a new board of directors headed by George Smith.
In 2001 Dapol sold the little-exploited Wrenn product line and trading name to three G & R Wrenn collectors.
For a period ending in 2001 Dapol also produced a wide range of Doctor Who models. In 2002 the BBC declined to renew the licence. The Dapol site also hosted the 'BBC Doctor Who Experience' exhibition until 2003.
In 2004 Dapol were awarded the 'UK Small Business of the Year' award.
In 2007 Dapol were awarded the Model Rail (magazine) 'N-gauge Manufacturer of the Year' award
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Posted - March 23 2008 : 2:44:25 PM
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| That's sweet. I love the pink buffer tubes!
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Posted - March 23 2008 : 11:25:34 PM
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The Harry Potter locomotive is a Hall class.
Similar to a Castle class but not quite the same.
I have the Lionel Potter set and I can't say enough good things about it.
The only thing is they put an American style whistle in the tender.
I pulled the shell off and taped one of the whistle holes to make a single high note shrill whistle,not perfect but an improvement.
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Posted - March 23 2008 : 11:32:34 PM
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Catfordken, Thanks for the excellent information!! I'm sure I'll have many more questions if I go this direction, things like does someone actually make 1:76 people,cars, buildings? For starters, I picked up an old "SuperQuick Model Kit" (cardstock, mostly fold and glue together) of a railway terminal. I wonder if Hornby or others can be ordered straight off the internet, and shipped here. I know that Branchline has a supplier in San Antonio, Texas, but again, I'm trying to avoid Chinese.
Romcat, I could dust of my old uniform also, and maybe my Cold War training would help.....but I think I'd have to find a tailor to let the pants out a bit!!
Catfordken, are you still quite motivated to acquire an SP Trainmaster like we talked about once? Just PM your address and I'll send it to you--no strings attached--it cost me about 35 American, but you could surprise me with something British---or don't send anything--I'm starting to have the philosophy that I'd rather have someone that will enjoy something than me just hording it. Chris.
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 4:31:07 PM
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quote:| ...I'm trying to avoid Chinese... Originally posted by Adams |
Is there any domestic British model train manufacturing going on, today?
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 6:30:35 PM
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hi roy,all ready to run trains i believe are chinese made,only the smaller kit firms left,and i believe most power units are sourced outside uk,very dismal,their excuse for moving was to save costs,then prices rocketed up,and excuse was import duties?so a train that cost ÂŁ50 3/4 years ago now costs ÂŁ120 in oo gauge,ken
ps to conclude the terrier loco was built by dapol,but the same mould is now used by hornby
the facts on the real thing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LB&SCR_A1_class
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 10:53:38 PM
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| Catfordken, I've been eyeing some more British prototypes, picked up a Hornby 0-6-0 diesel shunter...it's an old-stock item, but is marked Made in England. Are you telling me that if I were to buy NEW Hornby online or from a distributor, that it would be Chinese, just like the Branchlines?? By the way, I noticed a couple of Hornby steamers that had tender drives--how well do those hold up? A Flying Scotsman, though, had the motor in the boiler. Any opinion if I could just buy one? This is getting very complicated, especially when I started reading about the whole Hornby, Wrenn, Airfix, etc., etc. saga. My Tyco's seem so much easier!
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Posted - March 24 2008 : 11:14:09 PM
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Hey Adams:
You'll have to ask CFK this but is it possible that your Class 08 0-6-0 Diesel Shunter is a LIMA like mine? I think mine was made in Italy, but for the UK market...
I know Hornby now makes a Class 08 and maybe Ken can say if it's HO or OO. Ithought they or Bachmann made an HO version.
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 01:21:54 AM
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| Is Hornby discontinuing the OO live steam line?
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 10:11:29 AM
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| Romcat, my shunter is labeled Hornby and made in Britain (I think the box says England, and the loco Britain for some reason). It seems to be older production by the age of the box and the style of the motor. It's basically a very nice mechanism inside, with a good quality open-pole motor, which seems to have some kind of resistor, capacitor, diode?? wired in (can't remember my elementary electronics). I'll shoot a picture sometime when I'm not at work!
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 11:51:01 AM
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Hey Adams:
The pic would be great!
Btw; you said you were a cold-War warrioe, where and who did you serve with?
I was in the 8th Hussars (Armored Cav. Recconaisance) Canadian Army 77-80. West Germany 78-80 & Reserves after I got out of the Regs GGHG-Governor Generals Horse Guards (Recce) 80-81. Finished a Master Corporal.
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 12:06:31 PM
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Adams, that's probably an RF choke in series with the motor. They are often used in combination with small capacitors for RF noise suppression. I've seen them in Hornby locos before - maybe Britain has stricter regulations about such things.
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 12:13:43 PM
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| Gareth, In truth, most of my time was spent around the time of the first Gulf War, but much of our training had been focused on Cold War issues, as if the Gulf War was just a small skirmish that had gotten in the way. I worked on load planning/marshalling/loading the large C-5's, 141's, and 130's (I was a USAF SSGT). I'll try to get that shunter pic this evening. Chris
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 12:52:07 PM
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Hey Chris;
Caught a ride on a "Wild Blue" (what we in the Cdn Forces called the USAF AC) 141 back across the pond (Atlantic) in `79
Only walked the deck of a Galaxy at an airshow here in Hamilton, Ont. about 10 years ago...
And I spent a lot of time in the back of a Herky-bird in the day! Great bird.
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 2:10:18 PM
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NP---Interesting thought....noise supression so your wife's TV show isn't interrupted while you operate?? Maybe something more serious like radio communications...
Rom- Yeah, most of my time was working with the C-5's. They were impressive, could kneel for drive on, load with "K" loaders from both ends, and held 36 pallet-positions of 10,000lb. pallets--Just don't let your boot get caught between one and the side rail as it's rolling...you might lose some shoe leather....not that I would know!
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Hey Maybe the NSA is bugging model Trains! [:D] [:D] [:D]
-G.
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 3:09:36 PM
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hi adams,all hotnby are o or oo gauge,all are chinnese made as from 2005,and far more detailed,bachmann are german based,and as such do produce some ho british,but most are oo,regards tender drive this was done to allow more scale locos,buy i prefer locos to pull rather than push as it can put stress on the drive rods
roy as far as i know hornby are not discontinuing oo live steam
i have a good address for all hornby and a lot of triang spares which i have put a link to below,ken
http://www.modelspares.org.uk/
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 3:37:50 PM
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| regards vehicles in ho caravana,lledo,and others are freely availible,houses etc by superquick in cardboard,airfix,dapol,in plastic,again freely availible,if you do venture this way let me know loads of sites etc ken
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 3:42:41 PM
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Ken:
Does anyone make an HO Class 08 that you know of?
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 4:13:41 PM
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gareth,not as far as i know,only one that might of would be bachmann,will check all my refs and get back,check photo,backmann deltic nrm,ken
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 4:33:35 PM
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I LOVE that Lokie! I always imagine it in D&H colours or UP or SF but the War Bonnet would look odd on a double ender don't you think?
So is this Deltic prototype OO or HO?
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 4:41:22 PM
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| odd would be the word,why not get a dapol kit and have fun about ÂŁ8 over here,the bachmann model made for the national railway museum is 00 and part of a series they hope to do to represent the museums stock,ken
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 4:49:14 PM
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Yeah, I know the Dapol kit. It's what prompted our first message exchange on this forum as it was my Avatar at the time.
I thought the Dapol was an OO as well?
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 4:55:18 PM
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| yes its 00 sorry
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 4:56:00 PM
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oo kits for you guys ken
http://www.dapol.co.uk/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=9&Itemid=59
as regards the terriers they are very small locos very low headroom,
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 7:24:01 PM
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Here's my recently-acquired shunter. Cleaned it, oiled it, runs great. Have noticed that the width of British metal wheels will sometimes short out a power-routing switch. 
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 7:27:03 PM
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| nice loco spoilt by those terrible couplings why oh why,they look much better with kadees or the like ken
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 7:29:26 PM
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...reassembled. 
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 7:33:50 PM
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nice one
the loco you have is more robust,the newer ones have more detail but are not as robust,not so much suited to people like me,heavy handed ken
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quote:| Here's my recently-acquired shunter... Originally posted by Adams
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Interesting, it doesn't appear to have as many armature poles as a Tyco steamer motor!
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Posted - March 25 2008 : 10:42:52 PM
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Here's a European forum with plenty of info.
http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index.php?act=home
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Posted - March 20 2009 : 2:54:40 PM
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cool Stepney loco catfordken now it needs a Thomas The Tank Engine face THEN its perfect 
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Posted - March 20 2009 : 3:00:32 PM
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imagine this with a face on it ken
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