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Posted - November 20 2007 : 12:11:26 PM
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Didn't think the Varney GG1 made it to the Life-Like line, however there are ads that suggest it did...
The ad is form RMC 1970.
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Posted - November 21 2007 : 10:06:22 PM
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Hi Tony. From what I remember the GG-1 was made for Varney by Penn line. Penn line was purchased by Bowser. Varney engines were purchased by Bowser. Lifelike had purchased the rolling stock and some of the inventory of Varney. They sold the Varney GG-1 until they no longer had anymore. (since Bowser had the molds). The Pennline GG-1s had number 4059. The Varney GG-1s had number 5796. GHC copied the GG-1 and had them made in Japan. They made a few minor changes But, for the most part it was a knock off Pennline's engine. GHC painted their engine Tuscan with 5 stripes with The number 4877. In 1939 Varney did make an aluminum sand casting of a R1 using the makado drive. PRR had only made the prototype engine. PRR had decided to go ahead with the GG-1. So Varney stopped making the R1 with fewer than 200 ever made. I met Lew English of Bowser years ago and he showed me some shells they test made in the 70's. He said they still had the mold but, that they would not make anymore. Here is a picture of the one I have, it is from the 1939-41 model, using prewar Fleischmann Pantographs.
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Posted - November 23 2007 : 4:29:38 PM
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Thanks for the info!
Did you ever see the GG1 in Life-Like packaging?
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Posted - November 23 2007 : 7:36:46 PM
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Hi Tony. A friend of mind had one in a Lifelike box. He had the Green version. Also, not too long ago there was one on eBay. I was bidding on it but, was outbid. One of the many things I collect are GG-1s. I have many different engines. I have just about all the different road names and numbers in AHM / Rivarossi, IHC, Varney, & Penn line. Also have the AHM limited edition series. I have the GHC engine and some brass like a Schrader engine that weights over 2 1/2 Pounds. There is not many of these engines around. Mine is #133. It has dual motors and required soldering the pieces together. I'm starting to get interested in the Broadway limited engines and the Marklin engines. They are a little pricey. [:D]
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Posted - February 05 2008 : 06:41:46 AM
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quote:Hi Tony. From what I remember the GG-1 was made for Varney by Penn line. Penn line was purchased by Bowser. Varney engines were purchased by Bowser. Lifelike had purchased the rolling stock and some of the inventory of Varney. They sold the Varney GG-1 until they no longer had anymore. (since Bowser had the molds). The Pennline GG-1s had number 4059. The Varney GG-1s had number 5796. GHC copied the GG-1 and had them made in Japan. They made a few minor changes But, for the most part it was a knock off Pennline's engine. GHC painted their engine Tuscan with 5 stripes with The number 4877. Originally posted by VintageHOÂ -Â November 22 2007Â :Â 02:06:22 AM
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Seems to me Varney bought most of Penn Line when they quit in 1964, that's where the shorty passenger cars Life Like makes to this day all come from, as did the F7A and B tooling (which seem to be copied from Athearn or Tyco shells themselves). I think the die cast steam engines went to Bowser then, and later on when Varney sold out to Life-Like LL was not interested in producing the cast engines and so Bowser got those tools. Looks like the ad is just LL selling out leftover stock -
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Posted - September 14 2008 : 2:19:39 PM
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quote:[quote]Hi Tony. From what I remember the GG-1 was made for Varney by Penn line. Penn line was purchased by Bowser. Varney engines were purchased by Bowser. Lifelike had purchased the rolling stock and some of the inventory of Varney. They sold the Varney GG-1 until they no longer had anymore. (since Bowser had the molds). The Pennline GG-1s had number 4059. The Varney GG-1s had number 5796. GHC copied the GG-1 and had them made in Japan. They made a few minor changes But, for the most part it was a knock off Pennline's engine. GHC painted their engine Tuscan with 5 stripes with The number 4877. Originally posted by VintageHOÂ -Â November 22 2007Â :Â 02:06:22 AM
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frank o toptrain here : An addition to this is their were other Penn Line #s not just the ones listed in the previous message. GHC's version had the front and rear doors cast into the main body casting. The later Penn Lines GG1s had plastic drive axel incloseures and side frames made as one piece. These Varney used. The only other thing I seen was no Varney GG1 had nose weights. Also # 5796 came in Tuscan and Brunswick Green as did other numbers. Also their is a New Haven GG1 in the multi colored Mc' Ginnis Paint. It was released with a set of matching white passenger cars by Penn Line and Varney. Varney sold their GG1s it seams with left over Penn Line parts. I don't thing you can find a GG1 that has Varney cast anywhere on it. They all say Penn Line that I have seen.
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Posted - September 14 2008 : 2:33:19 PM
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quote:quote:[quote]Hi Tony. From what I remember the GG-1 was made for Varney by Penn line. Penn line was purchased by Bowser. Varney engines were purchased by Bowser. Lifelike had purchased the rolling stock and some of the inventory of Varney. They sold the Varney GG-1 until they no longer had anymore. (since Bowser had the molds). The Pennline GG-1s had number 4059. The Varney GG-1s had number 5796. GHC copied the GG-1 and had them made in Japan. They made a few minor changes But, for the most part it was a knock off Pennline's engine. GHC painted their engine Tuscan with 5 stripes with The number 4877. Originally posted by VintageHOÂ -Â November 22 2007Â :Â 02:06:22 AM
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frank o toptrain here : An addition to this is their were other Penn Line #s not just the ones listed in the previous message. GHC's version had the front and rear doors cast into the main body casting. The later Penn Lines GG1s had plastic drive axel incloseures and side frames made as one piece. These Varney used. The only other thing I seen was no Varney GG1 had nose weights. Also # 5796 came in Tuscan and Brunswick Green as did other numbers. Also their is a New Haven GG1 in the multi colored Mc' Ginnis Paint. It was released with a set of matching white passenger cars by Penn Line and Varney. Varney sold their GG1s it seams with left over Penn Line parts. I don't thing you can find a GG1 that has Varney cast anywhere on it. They all say Penn Line that I have seen.
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Posted - September 14 2008 : 2:35:10 PM
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Hi Tony. From what I remember the GG-1 was made for Varney by Penn line. Penn line was purchased by Bowser. Varney engines were purchased by Bowser. Lifelike had purchased the rolling stock and some of the inventory of Varney. They sold the Varney GG-1 until they no longer had anymore. (since Bowser had the molds). The Pennline GG-1s had number 4059. The Varney GG-1s had number 5796. GHC copied the GG-1 and had them made in Japan. They made a few minor changes But, for the most part it was a knock off Pennline's engine. GHC painted their engine Tuscan with 5 stripes with The number 4877. frank o toptrain here : An addition to this is their were other Penn Line #s not just the ones listed in the previous message. GHC's version had the front and rear doors cast into the main body casting. The later Penn Lines GG1s had plastic drive axel incloseures and side frames made as one piece. These Varney used. The only other thing I seen was no Varney GG1 had nose weights. Also # 5796 came in Tuscan and Brunswick Green as did other numbers. Also their is a New Haven GG1 in the multi colored Mc' Ginnis Paint. It was released with a set of matching white passenger cars by Penn Line and Varney. Varney sold their GG1s it seams with left over Penn Line parts. I don't thing you can find a GG1 that has Varney cast anywhere on it. They all say Penn Line that I have seen.
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Posted - September 14 2008 : 2:38:14 PM
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quote:[quote] [quote] [quote] [quote]Hi Tony. From what I remember the GG-1 was made for Varney by Penn line. Penn line was purchased by Bowser. Varney engines were purchased by Bowser. Lifelike had purchased the rolling stock and some of the inventory of Varney. They sold the Varney GG-1 until they no longer had anymore. (since Bowser had the molds). The Pennline GG-1s had number 4059. The Varney GG-1s had number 5796. GHC copied the GG-1 and had them made in Japan. They made a few minor changes But, for the most part it was a knock off Pennline's engine. GHC painted their engine Tuscan with 5 stripes with The number 4877. Originally posted by VintageHOÂ -Â November 22 2007Â :Â 02:06:22 AM
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frank o toptrain here : An addition to this is their were other Penn Line #s not just the ones listed in the previous message. GHC's version had the front and rear doors cast into the main body casting. The later Penn Lines GG1s had plastic drive axel incloseures and side frames made as one piece. These Varney used. The only other thing I seen was no Varney GG1 had nose weights. Also # 5796 came in Tuscan and Brunswick Green as did other numbers. Also their is a New Haven GG1 in the multi colored Mc' Ginnis Paint. It was released with a set of matching white passenger cars by Penn Line and Varney. Varney sold their GG1s it seams with left over Penn Line parts. I don't thing you can find a GG1 that has Varney cast anywhere on it. They all say Penn Line that I have seen.
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Posted - September 14 2008 : 2:39:24 PM
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quote:Hi Tony. From what I remember the GG-1 was made for Varney by Penn line. Penn line was purchased by Bowser. Varney engines were purchased by Bowser. Lifelike had purchased the rolling stock and some of the inventory of Varney. They sold the Varney GG-1 until they no longer had anymore. (since Bowser had the molds). The Pennline GG-1s had number 4059. The Varney GG-1s had number 5796. GHC copied the GG-1 and had them made in Japan. They made a few minor changes But, for the most part it was a knock off Pennline's engine. GHC painted their engine Tuscan with 5 stripes with The number 4877. Originally posted by VintageHOÂ -Â November 22 2007Â :Â 02:06:22 AM
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frank o toptrain here : An addition to this is their were other Penn Line #s not just the ones listed in the previous message. GHC's version had the front and rear doors cast into the main body casting. The later Penn Lines GG1s had plastic drive axel incloseures and side frames made as one piece. These Varney used. The only other thing I seen was no Varney GG1 had nose weights. Also # 5796 came in Tuscan and Brunswick Green as did other numbers. Also their is a New Haven GG1 in the multi colored Mc' Ginnis Paint. It was released with a set of matching white passenger cars by Penn Line and Varney. Varney sold their GG1s it seams with left over Penn Line parts. I don't thing you can find a GG1 that has Varney cast anywhere on it. They all say Penn Line that I have seen.
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Posted - October 04 2008 : 12:29:30 PM
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Nice GG1 collection there, really nice!!
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Posted - October 11 2008 : 10:50:19 PM
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I know the New Haven never had GG1s but that G looks shweet in the McGinnis scheme.
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Posted - March 23 2009 : 1:12:44 PM
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cool I've seen that GG1 in every paint scheme including PennCentral Amtrak & even Conrail!!
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Posted - March 24 2009 : 2:19:11 PM
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PennCentral Amtrak & even Conrail were not even a dream when these were made. ***************** frank
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Posted - March 24 2009 : 2:28:24 PM
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I knows but the railroads that took over the Penn painted them that way here is a link to the GG1 paint schemes they were in! http://www.spikesys.com/GG1/paint.html
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Posted - November 13 2014 : 10:33:02 AM
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Varney Pre-war R1 shell sells for $410.00 on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ho-All-Metal-Cast-Electric-Pennsylvania-Engine-Shell-Only-Unique-LQQK-Very-Old-/261651003121?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=iFVA2gnpHLDsuzMSX%252Fmsklpo85c%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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Posted - November 13 2014 : 6:05:44 PM
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quote:Hi Tony. From what I remember the GG-1 was made for Varney by Penn line. Penn line was purchased by Bowser. Varney engines were purchased by Bowser. Lifelike had purchased the rolling stock and some of the inventory of Varney. They sold the Varney GG-1 until they no longer had anymore. (since Bowser had the molds). The Pennline GG-1s had number 4059. The Varney GG-1s had number 5796. GHC copied the GG-1 and had them made in Japan. They made a few minor changes But, for the most part it was a knock off Pennline's engine. GHC painted their engine Tuscan with 5 stripes with The number 4877. In 1939 Varney did make an aluminum sand casting of a R1 using the makado drive. PRR had only made the prototype engine. PRR had decided to go ahead with the GG-1. So Varney stopped making the R1 with fewer than 200 ever made. I met Lew English of Bowser years ago and he showed me some shells they test made in the 70's. He said they still had the mold but, that they would not make anymore. Here is a picture of the one I have, it is from the 1939-41 model, using prewar Fleischmann Pantographs.
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This R1 was produced for only a short time as said. Maybe only a few years. Before production a sample was cast in brass. It was not approved only because it was brass. this mistake became aviable 10 or so years. I have seen and held this odd piece of Varney or was it Penn Line history. Pretty neat to hold a official one of a kind. It had paper work with it from the company that made the casting. frank
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Posted - November 13 2014 : 9:18:59 PM
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Interesting comparing this one to the one waw47 posted on ebay that is painted.
http://tycodepot.com/
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