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So, I have been scheming on scratchbuilding many a car. I recently finally got started.
First thing being built is an express reefer, sides and floor made from scribed cardboard
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Posted - December 15 2016 : 08:33:18 AM
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That scribing looks pretty good. 
Before you paint, it might be smart to scribe a scrap piece of cardboard and try the paint on it to see that it doesn't swell the cardboard and lose some of the scribing. It may be that water based paint would cause more swelling than solvent paint.
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Posted - December 15 2016 : 11:56:13 AM
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Thanks for the suggestion. I've had good luck painting cardboard with acrylic so far, but on the other hand this is the first time I'd be painting something that I purposefully scribed.
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Posted - December 15 2016 : 2:34:14 PM
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Can't say enough how awesome this is.  Nice work so far. I see that you will be adding grabs too. I'm looking forward to seeing it all painted and detailed.
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Posted - December 15 2016 : 2:37:18 PM
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Adding grabs is what I'm working on right now. I'd actually started when I took that photo.
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Posted - December 15 2016 : 4:21:49 PM
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| Pretty fine Zelda. Scribing evenly like you have is not that easy to pull off. Cool, too, that the inside of your car is going to be revealing some history some years from now.
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Posted - December 15 2016 : 4:45:26 PM
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Thank you! It's not perfect (and there are some spots where the knife slipped that I'll pass off as gashes in the "wood"), but it did come out fairly well. I used a ruler as my straightedge, since the marks let me line it up.
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Posted - December 16 2016 : 09:18:33 AM
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quote:So, I have been scheming on scratchbuilding many a car. I recently finally got started.
First thing being built is an express reefer, sides and floor made from scribed cardboard
Originally posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman - December 14 2016 : 11:57:48 PM
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Anxiously waiting to see more. This kind of model railroading pulls at my heart strings...
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Posted - December 16 2016 : 5:46:14 PM
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Well, here you go, an update:
The grabs and top boards have been added, and work has begun on the underframe
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Posted - December 22 2016 : 06:28:26 AM
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Progress updates:
And
The green isn't quite right, but it'll do for now.
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Posted - December 22 2016 : 12:00:51 PM
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| That's pretty slick Zelda. I'm assuming you made all the hardware for the doors as well.
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Posted - December 22 2016 : 12:46:03 PM
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quote:That's pretty slick Zelda. I'm assuming you made all the hardware for the doors as well.
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That I did. I drew the basic hinge shapes on card, poked holes through them so that the dimples from the holes would act as rivet/nailhead detail, then after cutting those out and gluing them on I glued a snippet of wire where the joint in the hinge would be.
The locking bars are lengths of paperclip with the ends and middle wrapped in strips of paper, with a wire snippet glued off to the side for the handle. A snippet of paper glued over that represents the catch.
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Posted - December 22 2016 : 8:01:04 PM
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| It is turning out very nicely Zelda. I like how you made the hinges. The stirrups are fine too.
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Posted - December 22 2016 : 11:11:17 PM
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quote:It is turning out very nicely Zelda. I like how you made the hinges. The stirrups are fine too.
Originally posted by Redwoods - December 22 2016 : 8:01:04 PM
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Thanks. The stirrups are made from heavy staples - those are flat wire instead of round, so they're a godsend for stirrup-making.
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Posted - December 23 2016 : 3:29:16 PM
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funnier if you left the ads you cut out on the boxcar 
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Posted - December 24 2016 : 11:23:35 AM
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| Brilliant. I rather like the green- it is vivid.
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Posted - December 26 2016 : 09:43:20 AM
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That's pretty much what a lot of model railroaders did in the early days of the hobby. Great to see someone doing this now. She'd look great with a set of vintage sprung trucks on 'er!
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Posted - December 27 2016 : 11:12:42 PM
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I love it man, this is exactly the kind of thing I love doing. What you oughtta get is some old cardboard side kits from the 40s or 50s. Construction is usually very similar to what you just did, plus you have pre-painted sides (which come in a couple thousand different varieties between the various kit makers) and actual nice castings for all the little detail parts. If you enjoyed this build you'll love those.
I haven't met anyone else who still does any car-building with wood and cardboard in the 21st century here so personally I'm quite glad to see this, keep up the good work for sure!
Also, the flat staples for stirrups trick is, ironically, something I've only just started doing despite collecting and building kits like this for the last 5 years the heavy staples used on some older cars esp. for hangers for brake rigging just seemed too thick to look good as steps to me, but I've found that some ordinary staples do the trick. And you'll definitely want a nice set of express trucks for this thing to ride on. While I can't think of any metal sprung ones that're easy to find, Athearn's plastic ones are the correct type for most round roof fridges like this.
Tell ya what. I actually just recently cobbled together most of the parts necessary to build a car just like yours around a pair of Champion Model Co. car sides from around 1949. I see you haven't finished the roof and such yet. Wanna race to see who can complete their car first?
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Posted - December 28 2016 : 11:47:38 AM
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I have 2 woodens on the workbench (both reefers), but I haven't gotten even close to making something from scratch like this. Seeing how I can barely cut a strip of wood out for a roofwalk, I also doubt I could.
Also, fun fact related to paper car sides, it's actually suggested as a way to number/letter you own cars in a 1975 issue of Model Railroad Craftsman. They say to make a larger drawing, and then have it scaled down and copied by a copier/print shop.
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Also since they cut track maintaince the trains had huge trouble making over the railroad by the end
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Posted - December 28 2016 : 6:57:05 PM
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Yup, nowadays as long as you have a color printer, some cardstock, and the patience to draw and scale things in photoshop or what have you, you can make as many new reefers and boxcars as you like. I try to refrain from the temptation as I only have so many trucks and bolsters, I can't make steel ends myself when necessary and I don't like scratchbuilding roofs. I'm too poor to keep buying new-old-stock car end castings and Northeastern roofing stock
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Posted - December 28 2016 : 7:18:59 PM
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I like collecting and refurbishing those old cardstock cars, which can usually be found in boxes stacked on the ground underneath the tables at train shows (anyone else agree that that's where most of the goodies can be found?)
I've never thought about printing off new car sides, though. I suppose you could salvage the metal bits off of wrecked cardstock cars from train show bins, and use them with new car sides.
Say, here's an idea: There is a fairly large papercraft community online, especially in Japan, I've found, where people download, cut out, and assemble models from printed cardstock. Perhaps if a community of model railroaders could create a number of car side pdf files, and then if there was an easy way to source ends, roofs, and frames (3-D printing, maybe?), it could be made very easy for anyone to assemble their own cardstock carbodies. If this kind of resource existed, where people could assemble cars for a little bit of effort and only a few dollars per car (couplers and trucks would be the expensive part), maybe we could start attracting folks back to the hobby.
Just an idea.
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Posted - December 28 2016 : 10:27:34 PM
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It strikes me that a person could get old plastic boxcars from the $2 - $3 boxes at a swap meet, hack the sides out of them and replace them with printed sides more affordably than trying to track down roofs and ends.
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Posted - December 29 2016 : 01:54:56 AM
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Hacking stuff off can be hard though, especially sanding and trimming things to be level, straight, etc.
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It's not that hard to do. This is an old stock car (from the $1 box under a table) with the sides sanded smooth. I printed out a card stock picture and glued on with contact cement. It's not the best car in the world, but I like it!
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Posted - December 29 2016 : 11:25:36 PM
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Junker cardstock and wood side cars like you describe are slowly becoming the most important part of my collection. I've been cataloging all my reefers in the last couple days and so far I'm at 55 of them between Silver Streak, Varney, Megow, Red Ball, and a few others
91 Reefers in total so far and a couple dozen more to go... shoot me now
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Posted - December 30 2016 : 02:06:11 AM
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I'll happily take anything you don't want!
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Posted - January 07 2017 : 12:59:21 PM
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A bit of an update on the reefer, rather overdue I know. Anyway, it's got a roof and is on trucks now. The truck frames are of my own making.
Here's a WIP shot of truck sideframes:
And a shot of a more-or-less complete streamline truck:
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Posted - January 07 2017 : 6:28:22 PM
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| You are an artist Zelda. Are those pieces cardboard or plastic or what?
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Posted - January 07 2017 : 7:19:12 PM
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Thanks Barry.
The sideframes and bolsters are made from cereal box cardboard, 3 layers for the frames and 4 for the bolsters. The journal details are cardstock and wood on the express trucks, cardstock and cardboard on the streamline. The leaf springs are made from scribed cardstock. The coil springs are made from fine brass wire that I coiled by wrapping it around a paper clip.
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Posted - January 07 2017 : 9:04:06 PM
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Ambitious project, but you pulled it off. Good going!
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Posted - January 07 2017 : 10:45:33 PM
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quote:Ambitious project, but you pulled it off. Good going!
Originally posted by scsshaggy - January 07 2017 : 9:04:06 PM
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Thanks. I have even more ambitious stuff planned. Ultradomes and bilevels for my fantasy railroad. Fantasy smooth-side hi-levels for the Union Pacific. And more..
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Posted - January 09 2017 : 12:51:22 AM
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Okay, they might not look absolutely perfect, but holy hell, I've never seen someone scratchbuild trucks at all before. Let alone out of cardboard, with every little detail included. I'm impressed, I don't think I ever would have dared to try that but you seem to have pulled it off very well. You have my respect
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quote:Okay, they might not look absolutely perfect, but holy hell, I've never seen someone scratchbuild trucks at all before. Let alone out of cardboard, with every little detail included. I'm impressed, I don't think I ever would have dared to try that but you seem to have pulled it off very well. You have my respect
Originally posted by PRR 4800Â -Â January 09 2017Â :Â 12:51:22 AM
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Uhh...ever heard of Sierra Railway 1929 on Youtube?
He builds FULL ON LOCOMOTIVES FROM SCRATCH!!!!!!
(Not trying to advertise but, his stuff is truly impressive)
Every single thing he has, built from brass, plastic, wood, and a mech
Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/SierraRailway/videos
Photos of one of his builds: https://www.facebook.com/pg/SierraRailway1929/photos/?tab=album&album_id=626303374073585
Truly impressive!
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Posted - January 11 2017 : 3:15:49 PM
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quote: quote:Okay, they might not look absolutely perfect, but holy hell, I've never seen someone scratchbuild trucks at all before. Let alone out of cardboard, with every little detail included. I'm impressed, I don't think I ever would have dared to try that but you seem to have pulled it off very well. You have my respect
Originally posted by PRR 4800Â -Â January 09 2017Â :Â 12:51:22 AM
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Uhh...ever heard of Sierra Railway 1929 on Youtube?
He builds FULL ON LOCOMOTIVES FROM SCRATCH!!!!!!
(Not trying to advertise but, his stuff is truly impressive)
Every single thing he has, built from brass, plastic, wood, and a mech
Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/SierraRailway/videos
Photos of one of his builds: https://www.facebook.com/pg/SierraRailway1929/photos/?tab=album&album_id=626303374073585
Truly impressive!
Originally posted by trainman280Â -Â January 10 2017Â :Â 12:27:30 AM
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Obviously he hasn't given that he specifically said that he had NEVER seen anyone scratchbuilt tracks.
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Posted - January 11 2017 : 9:54:36 PM
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quote: quote: quote:Okay, they might not look absolutely perfect, but holy hell, I've never seen someone scratchbuild trucks at all before. Let alone out of cardboard, with every little detail included. I'm impressed, I don't think I ever would have dared to try that but you seem to have pulled it off very well. You have my respect
Originally posted by PRR 4800Â -Â January 09 2017Â :Â 12:51:22 AM
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Uhh...ever heard of Sierra Railway 1929 on Youtube?
He builds FULL ON LOCOMOTIVES FROM SCRATCH!!!!!!
(Not trying to advertise but, his stuff is truly impressive)
Every single thing he has, built from brass, plastic, wood, and a mech
Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/SierraRailway/videos
Photos of one of his builds: https://www.facebook.com/pg/SierraRailway1929/photos/?tab=album&album_id=626303374073585
Truly impressive!
Originally posted by trainman280Â -Â January 10 2017Â :Â 12:27:30 AM
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Obviously he hasn't given that he specifically said that he had NEVER seen anyone scratchbuilt tracks.
Originally posted by raysouthernpac - January 11 2017 : 3:15:49 PM
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1. He said trucks, not tracks
2. Sierra railway has. https://www.facebook.com/SierraRailway1929/photos/a.449117545125503.92544.411795722191019/916995391671047/?type=3&theater
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1. I think Ray just made a typo, considering.
2. You seem a bit kneejerk-defensive of Sierra Railway 1929 there, trainman280. Ease off.
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quote:1. I think Ray just made a typo, considering.
2. You seem a bit kneejerk-defensive of Sierra Railway 1929 there, trainman280. Ease off.
Originally posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman - January 11 2017 : 11:12:17 PM
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Yes it was a typo. Typing in a phone with autocorrect ain't always easy.
As far as trainman goes, he is just a now it all teenager. Take him with a grain of salt.
Might have some stuff to send your way. Stuff I don't need that I'm sure you could work your magic on. I'll keep you posted.
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quote: quote:1. I think Ray just made a typo, considering.
2. You seem a bit kneejerk-defensive of Sierra Railway 1929 there, trainman280. Ease off.
Originally posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman - January 11 2017 : 11:12:17 PM
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Yes it was a typo. Typing in a phone with autocorrect ain't always easy.
As far as trainman goes, he is just a now it all teenager. Take him with a grain of salt.
Might have some stuff to send your way. Stuff I don't need that I'm sure you could work your magic on. I'll keep you posted.
Originally posted by raysouthernpac - January 15 2017 : 3:04:59 PM
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Wow, thanks! ^_^
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Posted - January 25 2017 : 1:00:07 PM
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Behold, I have begun my long-intended project of scratchbuilding passenger cars from homemade printout templates:
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| Far out Zelda. Be interesting to see these come about.
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Posted - January 26 2017 : 05:16:03 AM
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Cool looking forward to it.
Modeling on the cheap
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Posted - February 11 2017 : 01:55:44 AM
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Zelda
You seem to be reviving the craft from the pre-war days when no one could find or afford
model kits of any kind.
Wow and wow.
Cereal boxes!!
Love it!
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OK
Fine
AND popcorn boxes.
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Posted - March 13 2017 : 8:14:36 PM
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Thank you Evan.
Not much progress on the passenger car front yet, but I do have progrese on other fronts.
The express reefer is basically done. Decals were prepared in MS Paint and printed on regular printer paper, then glued on with Elmer's.
Also been making good progress on a British OO fish van. Couplers are homemade imitations of the Sprat & Winkle couplers.
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Looks great, though the express reefer's roof is a little rough. Kinda looks like some warping's or something similar is happening on the fish van, maybe you could start trying to brace stuff with balsa/basswood?
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Also since they cut track maintaince the trains had huge trouble making over the railroad by the end
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They did a Rock Island volountarily
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They actually are braced on the inside. The express reefer's roof is warped due to my having accidentally cut the end arches asymmetrically, and also rushing a bit with gluing the layers of cardstock
The fish van looking a bit warped is mostly due to the camera angle.
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Posted - March 15 2017 : 03:44:05 AM
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Zelda, you've got a bloody sight more gumption than I have, but you da** sure pulled it off.
Fantastic job there. I would have never thought about making trucks from scratch.
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| Zelda, I dig your "decals". It seems to me that can look kind of "period" in that I believe some original car signage was based on placards, rather than being painted directly on the car side . . . for what the heck I know. I enjoy watching your builds.
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Posted - March 15 2017 : 4:01:43 PM
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| *stick NW on the fish van* now its perfect
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Posted - April 08 2017 : 11:39:34 AM
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| Nice work on the express reefer Zelda. I like the way it turned out.
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Posted - April 18 2017 : 2:56:41 PM
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Thanks Redwoods.
Progress update showing the fish van with its roof on and slightly weathered, one side of a baggage-generator-dorm car (like the UP's "Howard Fogg") with my first effort at homemade side fluting, and (not a scratchbuild but it's on my desk too) an almost-complete conversion of a standard Athearn flat to a piggyback flat
EDIT: Another scratchbuild, not quite a car but close enough:
The first prototype test build of my papercraft container template. This build used tabs, future builds will use matchstick corner blocks.
Can anyone guess what the protruding stubs of wire are for?
Feedback-hungry attention w****
Edited by - ZeldaTheSwordsman on April 19 2017 5:12:24 PM
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