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 Posted - April 03 2016 : 1:29:25 PM
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This weeks locomotive is a restored Mantua/Tyco General 4-4-0 in the Virginia & Truckee livery.
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Posted - April 03 2016 : 1:39:00 PM
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got that one
BUT I lost the connector that goes between the tender *sneezes 6x* & the loco 
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Posted - April 03 2016 : 4:00:41 PM
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| You mean the driveshaft? There are two different types of them you know.
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Posted - April 03 2016 : 4:08:29 PM
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| yes but its for this loco
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Posted - April 03 2016 : 6:41:31 PM
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quote:This weeks locomotive is a restored Mantua/Tyco General 4-4-0 in the Virginia & Truckee livery.
Originally posted by oldtimer52Â -Â April 03 2016Â :Â 1:29:25 PM
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I love the way you restore these old locos
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Posted - April 03 2016 : 10:21:37 PM
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My engine this week is a Tyco 430 Rock Island.
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Posted - April 04 2016 : 01:21:38 AM
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Micro, is it the type where the shaft end goes into the driveshaft or the one where the driveshaft
fits into a socket ?
bnsf, thank you. I love these old type locos and really enjoy the challenge they give when it
comes to restoration. So many have been "converted" into other types that I really want to try
to keep them as original as possible.
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Posted - April 04 2016 : 08:37:59 AM
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A Gilbert New York Central Hudson is my choice for this week. Seen is #443. Nothing special here. Just at the time the way gilbert was making there drives for this loco type became more standard with other manufactures. A open frame motor of there own design is used here. The field windings are skued so as to be on a 45 degree angle to the armature shaft. The standard is 90 degrees. The feature improves the motors ability to start at lower voltages giving smother slower speeds at start up. Once these Gilbert motors are replaced with Pittman's of a 90 degree type this winding feature disappears until reintroduced in the late 1990's in can motors. It is the reason they, the can motors, work so well.
The motor worm gear drives the last axel on the cab end, turning a 3 axel drive connected as in the real steam engines with side rods. A additional, second gear is mounted above the worm gear picking up power to pump a smoke unit at the same time. This type drive setup was used on the Hudson types made to the end of the Gilbert production. The only difference being larger drivers were used. The previous drive on Hudson 151 was a vertical shaft motor and the same smaller drivers used as on the 443. Before this the original 6 volt gearing was used. Plastic drivers were used on the 6 volt AC and latter 12 DC motor driven Hudsons.
frank
Front pilot is bent down need a little straitening.
toptrain
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Edited by - toptrain on April 04 2016 08:43:48 AM
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Posted - April 04 2016 : 09:06:30 AM
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straightening*
nice loco
oldtimer52 - I'll hafta check
will get a pic too
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Posted - April 04 2016 : 6:43:21 PM
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| Nice little history and mechanical lesson there Frank. Makes me want to find an old Gilbert locomotive. What year did Gilbert stop using the motors with the 45 degree scheme?
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Posted - April 04 2016 : 6:54:29 PM
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Alco 430 Silver Streak
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Posted - April 04 2016 : 7:37:57 PM
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| Classic.
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Posted - April 04 2016 : 11:11:21 PM
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It's interesting to see Gilbert using skew wound motors way back when. A few years before Bowser stopped making steam locomotive kits, they changed the Pittman DC-70 motor (their standard at the time) to be skew wound and you could even trade in your old DC-70's on a skew wound one.
Carpe Manana!
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Posted - April 05 2016 : 06:20:51 AM
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Scsshaggy, Barry; That skew wound motor is used on the #155 PRR 0-6-0 and some of the #433 PRR 0-6-0. So it isn't a rare thing to find as Gilbert goes. I should take a few photos of the motor and post it. I would guess other gilbert modelers also have steamers by Gilbert that are powered by one.
frank
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Posted - April 05 2016 : 07:17:17 AM
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Well here is a few pictures of Skew wound motors in Gilbert steam locos.
From the rear of a Hudson 443 on the left, and a 0-6-0 155 on the right.
You see the brass end plate on both the 0-6-0 one clearly says American Flyer on it.
The next is on the 443 a side view showing the angle winding. Not to bad for a 1950 loco to have it.
last a 0-6-0 155 in box taken apart showing the same type windings.
toptrain
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Edited by - toptrain on April 05 2016 12:56:48 PM
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Posted - April 05 2016 : 10:26:58 AM
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tt:
That is quite a nice-looking motor. Looks like a very rigid structure, and the screw-on wire clamp shows Gilbert's attention to detail. The magnet design is unusual but it probably allows that whole field assembly to be ground or line-bored before adding the magnet. Does it run smoothly?
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Posted - April 05 2016 : 11:31:06 AM
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| The Skew wound motor can also be found in the 433 ( PRR 0-6-0 Switchers) and some HO-151 ( NYC 4-6-4s, with smoke in the locomotive).
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Posted - April 05 2016 : 4:49:55 PM
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A lovely CN switcher from Autobus Prime leaves the yard.
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Posted - April 05 2016 : 7:53:00 PM
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My LOTW is my Bachmann 2-8-0 that I repainted:
More info on the project: http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/p/255863/2861756.aspx#2861756
Before: Original owner tried to put a messy gloss coat over and hand painted the red and white trim!
After: New extra bright headlight! Complete repaint!
If I can't fix it, I can fix it so it can't be fixed.
Edited by - trainman280 on April 05 2016 7:57:06 PM
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Posted - April 05 2016 : 8:58:15 PM
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| Locomotive looks pretty fine Charles. Frank, those photos of the skew wound motor straightened me out. Thanks for puttin' them up.
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Posted - April 05 2016 : 10:30:26 PM
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Oh, I have one of those Spectrum 2-8-0s. They're very good runners and not to mention look absolutely stunning. I have one in Southern livery, mind you. Very good locos. 
-Steve
"A lot of modellers out there who go to these train shows see broken HO stuff and go, 'This is useless' when, in reality, they can still be used for modeling whether it's as a prop on your layout or a cool project to make something old new again."
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Posted - April 07 2016 : 7:04:39 PM
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Mantua Mighty Mite 0-4-0 circa 1950.
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Posted - April 07 2016 : 7:32:52 PM
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| That looks pretty darn good, Barry.
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Posted - April 07 2016 : 8:15:33 PM
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Here is my repaired Gilbert 443. Replaced the front pilot and missing front truck. Cleaned all the muck off of the wheels and oiled and gresed what needed it, and wal-la like magic it runs. THEY'RE ALIVE, THEY ARE ALIVE.- - - THE TRAINS ARE ALIVE !!!!
* OPPS I AM GETTING A LITTLE EXCITED. Got to calm down some ---
frank
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Edited by - toptrain on April 10 2016 08:34:41 AM
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Posted - April 09 2016 : 4:25:33 PM
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Micro
If the shaft you need is the "male" type, you can make one for almost nothing.
This fits everyones budget.
This is what I made for my General.
 
The nuts are 7/32" or 5 mm.
The threaded bit is just over an inch, which makes the fit a tad tight.
One inch or a hair less would be OK.
I bevelled the edges a bit, as well. Probably Ok without it. I never tried before doing it.
Evan
PS
I'm not a metrified Canuck. The shots with the inch scale just sucked, so I deleted them
and used the metrc ones, which sucked not.
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Posted - April 09 2016 : 11:53:23 PM
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I got a Tyco HO train set from the local thrift store about 2 weeks ago, all the cars were in a shoe box wrapped in plastic bags and plenty of brass track and some fast track. Both engines are Sante Fe and body wise very clean. I could not get them to run at first, so researched how to clean them, took them apart, used sharp tweezers to pluck out all the hair and carpet fibers from the gears and wheels, oiled the wheels and gears, shined up some of the track to make a circle, plugged it in again and it worked, I got both engines running just fine, though the 0 4 0 will not go in reverse. I also got nine cars and between both sets of tracks I have about 40, maybe 50 feet of track. $4.95 total. I also got a grand central R R station for a dollar about six months ago and three HO scale homes for 50¢ each. I think I did the photos right, did not see a way to manage attachments, so I dragged and dropped the pictures.
/Users/martinjoaquin/Desktop/IMG_5019 (1).jpg/Users/martinjoaquin/Desktop/IMG_5015 (1).jpg
Edited by - TheDragonslayer on April 09 2016 11:56:23 PM
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Posted - April 09 2016 : 11:58:31 PM
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Try the image again, saw the attachment icon.
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Posted - April 10 2016 : 12:32:12 AM
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Well, let me see if the third time works. This time from image shack.
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/559x419q90/921/9csyU3.jpg
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Posted - April 10 2016 : 12:38:25 AM
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| Great, it worked. Here is the locomotive and another of the full set. I built a 4 x 4 table to begin with, just so I can have it up and running.https://imageshack.com/i/pncwq5Vvjhttps://imageshack.com/i/poWPy3vIj
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Posted - April 10 2016 : 01:07:09 AM
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TheDragonslayer wish i could find a haul like you did at a thrift store, i have hit every goodwill, salvatin army, second hand store within a hundred miles of where i live. Only one hobby store has some tyco, etc in it, and have got all theb freight cars that i want from there, might get a copy of freight engines that they have, when i get some money saved up.
Modeling on the cheap
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Posted - April 10 2016 : 3:58:45 PM
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I figured out how this sites image downloader works, some don't care about symbols or underscores. I simplified the picture title and it worked. Here is the Booster locomotive, I thought it was lacking a tender, but doing more research on this forum, I found that this is how it is supposed to be.
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Posted - April 10 2016 : 5:25:54 PM
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That is a nice little switcher. Let me know if you
are in the market for some more G. I got a line
on G tonnage in mint to very good condition.
Also, got a line on bundle deals for several
dozen Tyco cars, cheep. PM me.
Would enjoy seeing more of your stuff; you might
want to post this one under this week's LOTW.
Edited by - Chops124 on April 10 2016 5:28:00 PM
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