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 Posted - January 31 2016 : 8:02:29 PM
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My LOTW for this week is a Mantua Pacific Mark 2 in Southern Pacific livery. I got this guy for $25. 
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Posted - January 31 2016 : 9:50:32 PM
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A nice loco. Is that Cal Scale equipment your addition, or had a previous owner installed it?
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Posted - January 31 2016 : 11:12:22 PM
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Mantua Mark II's came from the factory with brass details installed. They were made during the later part of the company's life.
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Posted - February 01 2016 : 12:02:58 AM
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quote:A nice loco. Is that Cal Scale equipment your addition, or had a previous owner installed it?
Originally posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman - January 31 2016 : 9:50:32 PM
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No, that's what I thought at first. But then I realized that it's a Mantua Mark 2 model, which was made by Mantua in the early 80's (1980-1981). Here's a picture from the 1981 Mantua catalog. The Mark 2 Pacific is the locomotive on the farthest left of the page.
And yes, the front thing is missing. I noticed the hole on the front where the thing was supposed to be, where there was a bit of glue. So, from what I can tell, that detail was broken off at some point in the model's life.
-Steve
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Posted - February 01 2016 : 01:32:48 AM
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I would guess that that's a feedwater heater, though it might be of a different design or size than the one on the Mike.
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Posted - February 01 2016 : 08:23:00 AM
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On the Mark 2 Pacific, the big round thing that's missing from the front is a feedwater heater. Not a big loss, though, because the boxy thing cast on the top of the smoke box ahead of the stack is another kind of feedwater heater.
The big brass thing under the sand dome is supposed to be where water is injected into the boiler, but it would be odd to put that in the way of where the sand pipes would come down. Just ahead of that is the same detail, cast on.
I can't tell, from the picture, whether the big brass pump on the side is intended to be a water pump as part of the feedwater heater system or an air pump. The air pump would be a bit redundant because that's what's supposed to be inside those cowlings just above the pilot. It seems a bit big for an air pump, so I expect that it's water.
In the full-size world, those parts would normally be painted the same color as the boiler.
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Posted - February 01 2016 : 09:32:59 AM
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quote:On the Mark 2 Pacific, the big round thing that's missing from the front is a feedwater heater. Not a big loss, though, because the boxy thing cast on the top of the smoke box ahead of the stack is another kind of feedwater heater.
The big brass thing under the sand dome is supposed to be where water is injected into the boiler, but it would be odd to put that in the way of where the sand pipes would come down. Just ahead of that is the same detail, cast on.
I can't tell, from the picture, whether the big brass pump on the side is intended to be a water pump as part of the feedwater heater system or an air pump. The air pump would be a bit redundant because that's what's supposed to be inside those cowlings just above the pilot. It seems a bit big for an air pump, so I expect that it's water.
In the full-size world, those parts would normally be painted the same color as the boiler.
Originally posted by scsshaggy - February 01 2016 : 08:23:00 AM
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Oh, okay. Interesting. Yeah, to be fair, the locomotive actually looks more realistic (in terms of prototype) without the feedwater heater, because Southern Pacific's 4-6-2 never had those, as far as I can tell. The funny thing about that is the number on the locomotive (4665) did exist on the Southern Pacific Railway.... However, it was a 2-8-0, not a 4-6-2. But still, definitely a unique model, in my book. This is the first time I've ever actually seen any of the Mantua Mark 2 locos, to be honest.
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Posted - February 01 2016 : 09:51:13 AM
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in keeping with the classics,my mantua classics crescent pacific,they also made this loco for matchbox
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Posted - February 01 2016 : 12:51:59 PM
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Here is my LOW. This one stays on theme but is gonna be sold. I think Justin claimed it already.
Looks like a Mantua 2-8-2 drive with a cary boiler, and a Gilbert Hudson tender.
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Posted - February 01 2016 : 6:45:07 PM
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quote:Looks like a Mantua 2-8-2 drive with a cary boiler, and a Gilbert Hudson tender.
Originally posted by raysouthernpac - February 01 2016 : 12:51:59 PM
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Looks like an engine with mighty handsome lines, too.
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Posted - February 02 2016 : 09:25:17 AM
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My LOTW: Kitbash-Scratchbuilt HO 4-8-2 PRR Mountain Steam Locomotive
It seems to have a few Bowser parts like the drivers, but the side rods, boiler, cab and most other details seem to be scratch built. The steam chest looks like Varney and the boiler may actually be tin. Not sure and therefore I need to investigate it further.
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Posted - February 02 2016 : 3:11:11 PM
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quote:Looks like a Mantua 2-8-2 drive with a cary boiler, and a Gilbert Hudson tender.
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Nice engine! The tender is a Mantua tender.
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Posted - February 05 2016 : 11:26:03 AM
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quote:In the full-size world, those parts would normally be painted the same color as the boiler.
Originally posted by scsshaggy - February 01 2016 : 08:23:00 AM
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Even when the boiler wasn't painted black?
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Posted - February 05 2016 : 12:57:20 PM
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Sean, Your PRR Mountain appears to be the work of George Stock. Do you have the tender? Could you post a picture of the bottom of the loco?
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Posted - February 05 2016 : 12:58:01 PM
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quote:Even when the boiler wasn't painted black?
Originally posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman - February 05 2016 : 11:26:03 AM
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While I haven't seen examples in that case, I would assume so. Most of the piping, pumps and appliances would have been steel which would have to be painted. The cheapest thing to do would be to paint it the same color as what's around it so as not to have issues with one color of paint dripping on another. Also, most of that is not very ornamental, so I would think that the best looking thing would be to hide it against its background.
I did find some photos of the prototype for that Southern engine that is posted on this thread. On that, appliances and the boiler jacket below the boardwalk were black. Above the boardwalk, appliances and jacket were green. Even the feedwater heater mounted on the silver smoke box was the same green as the jacket.
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Posted - February 05 2016 : 2:00:53 PM
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quote:Sean, Your PRR Mountain appears to be the work of George Stock. Do you have the tender? Could you post a picture of the bottom of the loco?
Originally posted by waw47Â -Â February 05 2016Â :Â 12:57:20 PM
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That is very interesting Bill and the thought never occurred to me. I have since sent and email to the seller since he did have a prior listing with a tender in it that I think may have gone with this engine. There are no markings on this engine, but there may be some on the tender. I will keep you posted if I figure anything out.
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Posted - February 05 2016 : 5:15:44 PM
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Sean, the 6707 numbering on the cab and the side rods look like George Stock's work.
A lot of George Stock steam locomotives have a George Stock sticker on the tender bottom.
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Posted - February 06 2016 : 01:12:01 AM
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Garage sale fresh find that I picked for the grand sum of 94 cents last week.
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Posted - February 06 2016 : 01:13:57 AM
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This one is a Lionel HO geep. It looks like an Athearn shell on a Bachman chassis. Runs OK
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Posted - February 08 2016 : 09:21:43 AM
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quote:Sean, the 6707 numbering on the cab and the side rods look like George Stock's work.
A lot of George Stock steam locomotives have a George Stock sticker on the tender bottom.
Originally posted by waw47Â -Â February 05 2016Â :Â 5:15:44 PM
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The tender for this loco went in another listing by the same seller. Fortunately, because I sell as well, I was able to track down the buyer. The eBay system only showed q***0 (112) I was then able to search my feedbacks for anyone with (112) rating. Then I looked at their username and sure enough, they had a q and 0 in it. I contacted them and am working out a trade for the tender, They were able to tell me there were no makings on the tender, but it was very well made and it had a wood base. If George used wood for the tender bases, it might be his. I have a friend with another G. Stock steam locomotive, but he scribed his name in the brass base of the tender.
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I also took my engine apart to discover the entire boiler shell is steel! Not brass at all! Really curious now!
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Posted - February 08 2016 : 4:25:33 PM
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| Nice detective work on this mystery Sean.
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Posted - February 08 2016 : 10:19:30 PM
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quote:This one is a Lionel HO geep. It looks like an Athearn shell on a Bachman chassis. Runs OK
Garage sale purchase $6
Originally posted by metalsmith1Â -Â February 06 2016Â :Â 01:13:57 AM
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That's basically what it is. Lionel's HO locoss largely shared shell toolings with Athearn, but used chassis developed by Kader Industries. Those same Kader chassis designs would be used by Bachmann for their own HO locos.
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I did find some photos of the prototype for that Southern engine that is posted on this thread. On that, appliances and the boiler jacket below the boardwalk were black. Above the boardwalk, appliances and jacket were green. Even the feedwater heater mounted on the silver smoke box was the same green as the jacket.
Originally posted by scsshaggy - February 05 2016 : 12:58:01 PM
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Yeah, I did some research of my own and found that it varied from railroad to railroad. Some painted the plumbing in livery colors, some didn't, some split whether or not they did by if it was below the walk or above it, et cetera..
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