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 Posted - February 17 2015 : 7:42:26 PM
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What do you do when you want a smooth running low speed 0-4-0T outside of a Dockside? Power one yourself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF_Bs4z5AnE
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Posted - February 17 2015 : 8:11:06 PM
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 Very smooth and very nicely done, Darth. I actually kinda wonder how this thing ran originally to see how much of a change it is.
-Steve
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Posted - February 17 2015 : 8:51:01 PM
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It was an unpowered static display model. There was a powering kit for the Hobbyline 2-8-4, but I'm not sure if they ever did one for the 0-4-0T.
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Posted - February 17 2015 : 9:03:10 PM
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Posted - February 17 2015 : 10:49:00 PM
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That's a real honey! The engine runs really well and has handsome lines. Mechanically, it's impressive how many brands and kinds of gears are working well together, too.
Darth, you must have a junk box of epic proportions to be able to come up with the parts for your many projects. To be able to piece all those varied parts together, you must have an imagination to match.
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Posted - February 17 2015 : 11:42:27 PM
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Wow, nicely done! So smooth and non-jerky! You do such nice conversions. Now, this was an all-plastic non-powered model train engine kit? I've seen bigger steam engines, but not a small one like this in kit form.
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Posted - February 18 2015 : 12:03:26 AM
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quote:Wow, nicely done! So smooth and non-jerky! You do such nice conversions. Now, this was an all-plastic non-powered model train engine kit? I've seen bigger steam engines, but not a small one like this in kit form.
Jerry
Originally posted by AMC_Gremlin_GTÂ -Â February 17 2015Â :Â 11:42:27 PM
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Yeah, I do find that odd how they made an unpowered version of it. I can understand if it's highly detailed or something but when it's like this, I don't really get it.
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Posted - February 20 2015 : 4:10:45 PM
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That's so much nicer than the powered version of the Hobbyline 0-4-0 shifter.
http://hoseeker.net/gallery/index.php?album=hotrains2%2Fhobby-line-engines&image=Hobbyline1.jpg
I recognized the Bachmann fly-worm immediately. Very neat & clever repower, and those disk drive motors are usually very quiet. I assume the brass rod is the motor mount, but how is it attached? Glued? Soldered?
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Posted - February 20 2015 : 7:36:33 PM
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| Nice engineering there darth, and informative.
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Posted - February 21 2015 : 2:03:32 PM
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Thanks everyone!
scsshaggy, I rarely throw out mechanical parts from my various projects, so I do have quite a bit of extra stuff in my parts bins. You never know when something's going to come in handy!
NickelPlate759, the gear tower is soldered together, but the motor is glued in place.
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Posted - February 23 2015 : 8:10:06 PM
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I have a HObbyLine 0-4-0 tender loco with the powered chassis...and a bad gear. I'll have to dig it out and find which one. Think it's the cluster gear. I have no intention of even cleaning it up or stripping the paint until I know I can find parts.
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Posted - February 26 2015 : 12:25:03 AM
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Check with NWSL for the gear. I'll bet something pretty standard was used for that powering kit, so finding a replacement shouldn't be too hard.
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Posted - February 26 2015 : 09:21:00 AM
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HObbyline 0-4-0t. saddle tanker.
left. built up 0-4-0t from model kit.
right, ready to run 0-4-0t locomotive.
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Posted - February 26 2015 : 12:15:10 PM
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| yeah....I've got one of those in all plastic and a Yardbird all plastic in a box somewhere. Even have a HObbyline box car or two.
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Posted - February 26 2015 : 10:31:01 PM
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Interesting, I don't think I've seen the powered version until now! Looks like it has the usual open-frame motor drive. Did they add much weight to make it pull, or was it left pretty much hollow?
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Posted - February 27 2015 : 10:22:19 PM
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It's usual but unusual. Dan at Yardbird has no idea where they came up with it. NWSL has nothing in the catalog for a gear.
Unless that one has been repowered again..or a plastic one powered with something else.
Want some photos of one apart?
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Posted - February 28 2015 : 12:15:49 AM
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Here's some shots. Horrible little drive. Axle and idler gear are nylon. Plastic insert for bearing block and wiper insulation. There is a metal core...all the weight you get. Rods are rivetted on.
Just to give you an idea.
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Posted - February 28 2015 : 12:20:13 AM
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Cylinders and pilot are weird..not Delrin, seems to almost be a black nylon.
Anyway, the idler gear is not a cluster. Should have been. Should have had a "pitch" to match the worm. I think they counted on the soft nylon to accommodate the pitch. Then it runs directly on the nylon gear on the axle. There is no mesh adjustment. No lead screw. You hold the motor down with two screws. I suppose you can shim front to increase, back to decrease mesh. Takes three hands to take the silly thing apart.
Here is the culprit:
 
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Posted - February 28 2015 : 12:38:27 AM
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| Have you thought of trying a Mantua 0-4-0 driver set on that? That's' what it reminds me of.
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Posted - February 28 2015 : 12:45:19 AM
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The drivers and axle gear are okay. The bad gear is an idler, in the tower, between worm and axle gear. The design and materials are so bad, it really isn't worth trying to fix. I'd be better off with a REAL English metal Yardbird. I have one (my uncle's), nice engine.
I could find a Yardbird chassis, or try to modify a Mantua into it. I have a Mantua here under a plastic Docksider shell with a Kemtron cab-forward nose. I don't know.
When I restore something, it works. This one...even if I was able to find the idler gear (and NWSL won't work, as they are hard Delrin and need to match the worm pitch...then it won't match the axle pitch). It really needed a cluster gear, like on an MDC I have...two gears sandwiched with the worm gear next to a spur gear.
Then there's days of trying to strip that wonderful hand-painted patina off....previous owner partially cut the cast in handrails off and added real handrails and stanchions...but they'd have to come off, and a lot of file work to get the rest of the cast handrails off.
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Posted - February 28 2015 : 10:36:23 PM
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That idler looks pretty well worn! NWSL has regular spur gears of pretty much every size, so they probably have one that will work, but it may not be worth repairing. The Mantua 0-4-0 frame is a similar size to the Hobbyline, so it may be possible to modify one to fit.
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