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Since last week's LOTW started with a CP Rail loco 
here is a Tyco from train show that was $10!
979 is the number under cab window
*plays Silver Streak Song"
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 12:12:32 PM
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Nice one Micro-B...can't believe it's not #4015
My LOTW is an Atlas B&O FP7 I got at the train show yesterday. Sputtered and coughed when I put it on the tracks, you could tell it had been around the block a few times. I took it apart and cleaned/lubed it, added some numberboards and a set of Kadees. Won't say it runs like new - it's a little noisy - but otherwise it has come back to life 
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 12:41:47 PM
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yeah! but I'd trade it off for a custom made #4070 Silver Streak loco tho hehe
Another loco from show
dummy loco
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 1:13:45 PM
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My LOTW offering is a Mantua General 4-4-0 with a Cary Pittsburgh boiler:
Purchased today at the local VFD train show.
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 1:41:19 PM
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quote:My LOTW offering is a Mantua General 4-4-0 with a Cary Pittsburgh boiler:
Purchased today at the local VFD train show.
Originally posted by Mustangs_n_Trains - November 30 2014 : 1:13:45 PM
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 That's actually a pretty cool looking kitbash, I must admit.
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 1:55:31 PM
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| Pretty cool Sean. Makes me wonder how many of those Cary transformations occurred. My guess is not too many.
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 2:14:38 PM
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quote:My LOTW offering is a Mantua General 4-4-0 with a Cary Pittsburgh boiler.
Originally posted by Mustangs_n_Trains - November 30 2014 : 1:13:45 PM
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Very nice! I'd heard of those, but had never seen a completed one. I've been curious how they look when they're done. For example, I wondered whether the proportions between the General's tender and the larger, more modern boiler would work. I'd say they look good together. Thanks for posting that. It's good to finally see one.
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 6:24:29 PM
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Actually, it looks better than the original boiler mantua had on them.
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 7:35:06 PM
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Mine is an Athearn Alco PA1 that started out as an undecorated kit that had been on the shelf for quite awhile. The B&O paint and NS Decals were leftovers from something else. I like the "what-if" of it all....
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 9:27:54 PM
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| That's a nice paint and decal. What brand of paint did you use on it?
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 9:42:14 PM
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quote:That's a nice paint and decal. What brand of paint did you use on it?
Originally posted by oldtimer52Â -Â November 30 2014Â :Â 9:27:54 PM
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Conrail Blue
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Posted - November 30 2014 : 10:52:42 PM
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quote:Pretty cool Sean. Makes me wonder how many of those Cary transformations occurred. My guess is not too many.
Originally posted by Barry - November 30 2014 : 1:55:31 PM
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They are not common at all Barry. I think I have one more in my collection... packed away somewhere, but I don't know for sure. I may have sold it, but I usually remember that. I can say, this is only the second one I have ever owned or seen in person and they usually sell ~2x what a standard General sells for which is approx 3x what I paid for this one! It was a very good deal!
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Posted - December 01 2014 : 12:48:45 AM
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My LOTW is a cheap G-scale train from a cheap G-scale train set that we got today.
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Posted - December 01 2014 : 02:48:11 AM
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Here a young veteran, recovering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, (PTSD),
shows off a recent aquisition of a Santa Fe E9. He tells us that model railroading
provides a way back from the traumas of war. Incidentally, the El Paso Model
Train Club began in the basement of a WWII era hospital, in El Paso, as a means
for treating what was then called, "Battle Fatigue." Sixty four years later, it has
come full circle.
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Posted - December 01 2014 : 7:22:36 PM
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My LOTW entry goes WAY back, to 1776. :) A Mantua spirit of 76 steam engine, just acquired last week, needs a new smokestack and the wood load for the tender. Not sure if it runs or not. Picture was captured from Ebay, so small and a bit grainy, I haven't had a chance to take one of my own yet. 
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From the Greenberg show in Edison NJ on Saturday.
This is a COX (made by Athearn) GP35. It was in a Cox box and appears to have been used. It was in a cardboard box of stuff for $2.00 each! I asked if the guy was sure it was only $2.00 and he said it's old and may not run, so yes! I couldn't say no. - I haven't tried it yet, but you can't kill those old Athearn diesels.
I passed up this engine and then about three rows later decided I had to have it. It's and old Mantua and except for missing the smoke box front looks to be in good shape. I haven't tried it yet either, but for only $10.00 I figured you can't go too far wrong.
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Posted - December 01 2014 : 10:19:33 PM
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Here a new engine for me. Here is a kitbashed and custom painted Lehigh Valley SW8 with dynamic breaks. Started life as a Athearn sw1500. The Valley called them PUPS.
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 01:48:25 AM
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quote:From the Greenberg show in Edison NJ on Saturday.
I passed up this engine and then about three rows later decided I had to have it. It's and old Mantua and except for missing the smoke box front looks to be in good shape. I haven't tried it yet either, but for only $10.00 I figured you can't go too far wrong.
Rich
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Rich, some time after I met you at Frank's table I went back to check on that loco and it was gone, but the boiler front was in the box! It wasn't there when I first asked her about it. The AHM & IHC parts guys that were there have tons of them, since they bought out a lot of Model Power's stock. I can send you contact info if you want one, or you can wait for the January show.
Chops, what a great story. I've seen all sorts of activities used as therapy for PTSD, but model railroading hadn't occurred to me. I'm sure it helps to give back a much needed sense of control. I hope he knows we all appreciate his sacrifice.
JNXT, that FP7 sure is purty.
Hey, wait a minute... I thought all your stuff was packed away!
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 06:44:10 AM
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JNXT, that FP7 sure is purty.
Hey, wait a minute... I thought all your stuff was packed away!
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â December 02 2014Â :Â 01:48:25 AM
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hehe...it IS...except:
1. I still have a "few" pieces unpacked...you know, so I don't go completely stir-crazy
2. I keep getting moar stuff
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 10:14:49 AM
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Rich, that is a nice 4-6-0. I have a lot of them and they do run pretty good. If you decide you don't want it, send me a pm as to how much you want for it. I don't have that road name yet.
Nickel, I would appreciate the contact info for those who got the Model Power stuff. I could use more parts for my 4-6-0s and 4-8-0s. The boiler fronts and headlamp tops are hard to find at a reasonable price.
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 10:47:19 AM
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quote:Rich, that is a nice 4-6-0. I have a lot of them and they do run pretty good. If you decide you don't want it, send me a pm as to how much you want for it. I don't have that road name yet.
Nickel, I would appreciate the contact info for those who got the Model Power stuff. I could use more parts for my 4-6-0s and 4-8-0s. The boiler fronts and headlamp tops are hard to find at a reasonable price.
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Hey George. Those headlamp tops are easier to make then find.
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 11:18:33 AM
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Never thought of trying that. Will have to try it. Thanks Topps.
Ok. Got my Hobbytown EMC E-7 A&B units in today. They are missing the internals, but, I found them for both the A and B units, and they're both powered. Gonna have a really nice set after I get them restored. I love it when I can find stuff from the past that bring back the good memories.
Locomotives now:
Drive units:
Gonna have traction from all 12 wheels.
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 12:05:32 PM
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I do like those 4-6-0s and have a couple of them myself. The Hobbytowns are sweet too. Here is my LOTW, an Atlas/Roco Western Pacific FP7.
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 12:08:01 PM
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Oh yeah, now that's the real deal. Looks ready to pull 20 coaches and a year's worth of MR.
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 10:28:37 PM
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quote:From the Greenberg show in Edison NJ on Saturday.
This is a COX (made by Athearn) GP35. It was in a Cox box and appears to have been used. It was in a cardboard box of stuff for $2.00 each! I asked if the guy was sure it was only $2.00 and he said it's old and may not run, so yes! I couldn't say no. - I haven't tried it yet, but you can't kill those old Athearn diesels.
I passed up this engine and then about three rows later decided I had to have it. It's and old Mantua and except for missing the smoke box front looks to be in good shape. I haven't tried it yet either, but for only $10.00 I figured you can't go too far wrong.
Rich
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Aaaaaaaaargh!!!
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 11:29:38 PM
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Aaaaaaaaargh!!!
Originally posted by Chops124Â -Â December 02 2014Â :Â 10:28:37 PM
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I think there be pirates afoot here.
I guess this is how the Docksides may have looked had they seen military service. This was one of my deals from the Greenberg show: a NIB late production Mehano Army Dockside with blackened drivers for $20. The engine number on the back is 1976.
Note the little decal with an X through a garbage pail on the box flap. There's one on the underside of the loco, too. Either they don't want it to end up in a landfill, or Ben's not supposed to photograph it.
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 11:30:12 PM
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Just found this concerning the EMC E7s. Thought you might be interested.
Along with this info, and looking at the assembly instructions, there may be a way to add a flywheel to the system.
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Posted - December 02 2014 : 11:44:26 PM
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George, check your PM's.
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Posted - December 03 2014 : 11:16:05 AM
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A bit late this week, my loco is a Mantua General, as well.
It was missing the drive shaft, so I had to make one.
A screw cut to the right length and two nuts, and done.
Evan
And yes, it was got at by the green paint guy, as well.
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Posted - December 03 2014 : 1:27:22 PM
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quote: quote:
Aaaaaaaaargh!!!
Originally posted by Chops124Â -Â December 02 2014Â :Â 10:28:37 PM
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I think there be pirates afoot here.
I guess this is how the Docksides may have looked had they seen military service. This was one of my deals from the Greenberg show: a NIB late production Mehano Army Dockside with blackened drivers for $20. The engine number on the back is 1976.
Note the little decal with an X through a garbage pail on the box flap. There's one on the underside of the loco, too. Either they don't want it to end up in a landfill, or Ben's not supposed to photograph it.
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Oooooooooooh!
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Posted - December 03 2014 : 6:47:30 PM
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| Colorful engines as always. This N scale Southern Pacific made by Bachmann. 
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Posted - December 03 2014 : 8:10:03 PM
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quote:A bit late this week, my loco is a Mantua General, as well.
Originally posted by PGE33Â -Â December 03 2014Â :Â 11:16:05 AM
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I like that the wood pile contains individual logs. It looks much more convincing than a one piece casting of a stack of wood. Nice touch.
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Posted - December 04 2014 : 6:07:10 PM
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quote:A bit late this week, my loco is a Mantua General, as well.
It was missing the drive shaft, so I had to make one.
A screw cut to the right length and two nuts, and done.
Evan
And yes, it was got at by the green paint guy, as well.
Originally posted by PGE33Â -Â December 03 2014Â :Â 11:16:05 AM
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Hey, it looks like the green-paint-guy didn't muck this one up at all. In fact it looks pretty sweet with the individual pieces of lumber and the spark arrestor screen on the stack. And of course, clever driveshaft repair
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Posted - December 04 2014 : 6:37:04 PM
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quote: quote:A bit late this week, my loco is a Mantua General, as well.
It was missing the drive shaft, so I had to make one.
A screw cut to the right length and two nuts, and done.
Evan
And yes, it was got at by the green paint guy, as well.
Originally posted by PGE33Â -Â December 03 2014Â :Â 11:16:05 AM
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Hey, it looks like the green-paint-guy didn't muck this one up at all. In fact it looks pretty sweet with the individual pieces of lumber and the spark arrestor screen on the stack. And of course, clever driveshaft repair
Originally posted by PRR 4800Â -Â December 04 2014Â :Â 6:07:10 PM
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 Strangely enough, it actually looks like something Tyco would've made in the 70s or 80s.
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And in the Eric Tyler days of the 1990s, Mantua might have put a 2-wheel trailing truck on it, painted it in Hiawatha colors, and put it in front of a string of beer-company reefers as the "Milwaukee's Best Express"
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And in the Eric Tyler days of the 1990s, Mantua might have put a 2-wheel trailing truck on it, painted it in Hiawatha colors, and put it in front of a string of beer-company reefers as the "Milwaukee's Best Express"
Originally posted by Autobus Prime - December 04 2014 : 6:50:45 PM
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Not to mention adding a set of unpainted brass air pumps.
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Posted - December 04 2014 : 9:31:01 PM
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Aaaaaaaaargh!!!
Originally posted by Chops124Â -Â December 02 2014Â :Â 10:28:37 PM
I think there be pirates afoot here. |
I believe that would be " Arrrrrrrrr ", not " Arrrrrrgh" Pirates don't gh Well, maybe if they're run through with a sord ( the W was silent ) LOL! - Jerry -
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And in the Eric Tyler days of the 1990s, Mantua might have put a 2-wheel trailing truck on it, painted it in Hiawatha colors, and put it in front of a string of beer-company reefers as the "Milwaukee's Best Express"
Originally posted by Autobus Prime - December 04 2014 : 6:50:45 PM
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Not to mention adding a set of unpainted brass air pumps.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â December 04 2014Â :Â 7:31:06 PM
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Two on the pilot beam and two hung on the sides. We're gonna need a lotta air to stop this flyer.
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Posted - December 05 2014 : 12:05:13 PM
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Nelson, did some research on adding a flywheel to my hobbytown e7s. It seems that they had them available for this locomotive back in 1953, only they were called "clutches". This is a part of the catalog I found listing them.
If you'll notice, they made 2 different types for the E7. The friction (solid metal flywheel) and the "hydraulic". I would really like to get my hands on one of the hydraulic clutches to see how they made those.
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Posted - December 05 2014 : 12:15:03 PM
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quote:A bit late this week, my loco is a Mantua General, as well.
It was missing the drive shaft, so I had to make one.
A screw cut to the right length and two nuts, and done.
Evan
And yes, it was got at by the green paint guy, as well.
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Evan!
Awesome locomotive choice this week! Late or not, well done! LLLove the real wood detail! It really makes the model!
Sean
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Posted - December 05 2014 : 12:57:17 PM
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quote:Nelson, did some research on adding a flywheel to my hobbytown e7s. It seems that they had them available for this locomotive back in 1953, only they were called "clutches". This is a part of the catalog I found listing them.
If you'll notice, they made 2 different types for the E7. The friction (solid metal flywheel) and the "hydraulic". I would really like to get my hands on one of the hydraulic clutches to see how they made those.
George
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Those friction clutches were not just a flywheel, they were in fact a small centrifugal clutch, like a simplified version of the one on a go-kart or chainsaw.
The fluid drives were an oil-filled fluid coupling. These clutches were all the rage for a while. The idea was to let the motor spin fast while the loco slowly caught up to speed. I've heard that slippage when hauling heavy loads was a problem with them.
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Posted - December 05 2014 : 4:26:11 PM
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I can't take any credit for the General, other than possessing it.
Got it and many others last week, along with a number of shop locos to service.
The Rivarossi E8 was just one of them.(the one with the goo in the drive)
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Those friction clutches were not just a flywheel, they were in fact a small centrifugal clutch, like a simplified version of the one on a go-kart or chainsaw.
The fluid drives were an oil-filled fluid coupling. These clutches were all the rage for a while. The idea was to let the motor spin fast while the loco slowly caught up to speed. I've heard that slippage when hauling heavy loads was a problem with them.
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I guess they were an attempt to get smooth starts in the era of rheostat throttles, where the first step of the rheostat's winding would cause the loco to lurch to life. In those days the higher the motor's current draw, the slower the start. Revell had a centrifugal clutch in their diesels, but their behavior was erratic.
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Posted - December 05 2014 : 5:14:59 PM
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I have a Revell SW7 UP switcher with the Power Grade clutch.
It works great, and has the added bonus of an idling diesel sound at a low power setting.
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Posted - December 05 2014 : 6:12:46 PM
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Those friction clutches were not just a flywheel, they were in fact a small centrifugal clutch, like a simplified version of the one on a go-kart or chainsaw.
The fluid drives were an oil-filled fluid coupling. These clutches were all the rage for a while. The idea was to let the motor spin fast while the loco slowly caught up to speed. I've heard that slippage when hauling heavy loads was a problem with them.
Originally posted by Autobus Prime - December 05 2014 : 12:57:17 PM
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I guess they were an attempt to get smooth starts in the era of rheostat throttles, where the first step of the rheostat's winding would cause the loco to lurch to life. In those days the higher the motor's current draw, the slower the start. Revell had a centrifugal clutch in their diesels, but their behavior was erratic.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â December 05 2014Â :Â 4:54:07 PM
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It was also a way to get a momentum effect in the days before solid-state electronics, and we shouldn't forget, either, that those were the days when every automaker was trying to top another with New Improved Silky Smooth Fluid Drive Dynaflow Hydramatic Jetaway Power. The trainbuilders emulated that. :)
Not so different from today, really, when autos and model locomotives alike are mechanically stereotyped under the hood, virtually made from one mold, but the manufacturers of both compete to burden them down with the vastest amount of useful and/or useless electronic gimmickry. (Do we have heated cupholders in Chevies and track-flushing toilets in MTH passenger cars yet?)
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Posted - December 05 2014 : 7:14:41 PM
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Thanks for the in depth info on the "clutches". I plan on using a regular flywheel on this and am gonna try to replace the magnets with some neodymium mags and see what happens.
I have found bolsters and trucks for the rolling stock. The bolsters are the same type as shown in the instructions and the trucks match the set that I do have. Feeling good about this restore.
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Posted - December 06 2014 : 9:55:41 PM
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That's usually because of lead content, they don't want items with lead in them put into a landfill. And of course, all electric trains have some lead in them, usually. Maybe some modern ones are lead-free, but back then, no.
- Jerry -
Originally posted by AMC_Gremlin_GTÂ -Â December 04 2014Â :Â 9:31:01 PM
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The irony is that this is the lightest Dockside I have. The weight might even be diecast, but rules is rules. It may have been made for the European market because it has RFI caps on the motor.
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It was also a way to get a momentum effect in the days before solid-state electronics, and we shouldn't forget, either, that those were the days when every automaker was trying to top another with New Improved Silky Smooth Fluid Drive Dynaflow Hydramatic Jetaway Power. The trainbuilders emulated that. :)
Originally posted by Autobus Prime - December 05 2014 : 6:12:46 PM
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There was Aussie company that made fluid clutch flyweels for diesels that I saw about 7 years ago. They also touted performance more like the real thing, but I don't think most model railroaders wanted to deal with constant adjustments to the throttle, especially on a downgrade.
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Posted - December 06 2014 : 10:31:23 PM
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quote:Thanks for the in depth info on the "clutches". I plan on using a regular flywheel on this and am gonna try to replace the magnets with some neodymium mags and see what happens.
I have found bolsters and trucks for the rolling stock. The bolsters are the same type as shown in the instructions and the trucks match the set that I do have. Feeling good about this restore.
Originally posted by oldtimer52Â -Â December 05 2014Â :Â 7:14:41 PM
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Dayammm, if that is one of the Hobbytowns with the DC91 I can only imagine the pulling power it would have with a neodymium magnet....
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Posted - December 06 2014 : 11:36:44 PM
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| Yeah, neodymium magnets in both motors and flywheels to boot. There are a total of 5 axles that are geared for power. It should have some really nice pulling power.
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Posted - December 10 2014 : 10:24:46 AM
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Got my emc e7 innards today. These HAVE to be the DC91 motors. They are humongous.
EMC E-7A motor.
Motor size comparison. The tender is from the Rivarossi "Casey Jones".
The size of this monster is:
Magnet dimensions:
Width - 1.005 inch
Height - 0.879 inch
Depth - 0.627 inch
Overall length of the motor (from magnet to end of shaft) is 2.918 inches.
I don't think I'm gonna need to flywheel and re-magnet these things.
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Posted - December 10 2014 : 11:50:55 AM
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All of a sudden I feel like Tim Allen. :D :D :D
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