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 Posted - August 21 2014 : 06:46:27 AM
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can anyone tell me what these bits are for cheers ken
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Posted - August 21 2014 : 7:48:26 PM
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The bottom picture reminds me of Varney steam parts, I have some like that. Can't tell anything on the top picture, though. My .02 worth for ya...
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Posted - August 21 2014 : 8:20:43 PM
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Just a wild stab;
Picture #1 top L to R Truck side frames (easy one), 3 round discs ???, 3 smoke stacks, the 4 black things appear to be steps from diesel/caboose/passenger car, sand/steam dome, a ladder from almost anything and a drive worm from an engine that uses a power tower.
I agree, the second picture is Varney loco drive parts.
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Posted - August 22 2014 : 09:32:55 AM
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Top left - blomberg truck sideframes, cast brass, 1940s-50s, these look familiar and I'll go check HOseeker later. Made by some really little company.
Top right - the three round things are turned brass bases for steam loco domes (I think), and you can see a steam dome with them; three tubes appear to be old-time steam loco chimneys, no idea what they go to.
Lower right - passenger car steps. If they're metal, they're probably early walthers; if they're plastic, I have the same set of spares and I don't know who made them either.
Lower left - boxcar ladder, made by Globe/Athearn, plus somebody's worm gear. That's a quality ladder.
Second pic is of course a set of steam loco wheels for a 4-8-2, and I'm going to second that guess and say Varney. I've got a spoked (like yours) and a boxpok driver just sitting around somewhere that match those.
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Posted - August 22 2014 : 09:49:49 AM
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| cheers guys and PRR 4800 for help ken
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Posted - August 22 2014 : 12:43:32 PM
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Ken
Judging from the second pic these look like the wheels from a John English Engine that I have. The wheels are mostly all brass and are hard to find.
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Posted - August 22 2014 : 4:48:33 PM
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Ken,
I kind of agree with everyone's comments on the first picture. However, with the second picture, i see NOTHING Varney. I do see however, early Mantua.
The trailing truck is an early prewar gen Pacific & Atlantic type and I believe the larger unpainted drivers are as well. The smaller ones are definitely trailing truck wheel sets.
See the attached pics of one of my pre-war Atlanitcs I offer as proof.
I would need to see the gear on the drivers to be sure as it would be a very wide brass gear with a curve on the wearing surface.
The worm gear in the top gear looks like the worm which would have been on the early Mantua 6V moto and would fit the driver gear.
The small brass fitting under the obvious Mantua Belle sand dome is a Mantua headlight used on the Mogul, Mighty Mite and Goat, Atlantic & Picific models.
Below is a pic of some of my Belles which depict the dome:
I do not recognize the large brass drivers. The large brass bearings are curious. They are probably not Varney. Later Varney had screw-on drivers. Early Varney were press on, but do not have the large brass bearings.
Sean
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Posted - August 22 2014 : 11:39:52 PM
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Ugh, I've really got to start collecting antique steam.
Anyways, turns out that those are some really flippin' weird truck sideframes, but I found them. The tooling is a dead-on match for those found in this kit, and nothing else:
According to HOSeeker, it "contains a Varney coil spring with pulley variable speed drive with side frames using a DC-60 Pitman motor. Motto of company 'Made in the West for Model Builders Everywhere'." Evidently this is the only kit the company ever manufactured, of an ALCo switcher sometime in the 1950s, and for some thoroughly bizarre reason they tooled their very own completely wrong EMD trucks for it. The ones shown are zamac but yours are brass, however they're rather distinctive and otherwise an exact match.
Which makes me wonder, how did YOU get them all the way across the pond?
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Posted - August 23 2014 : 3:49:09 PM
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quote:Ugh, I've really got to start collecting antique steam.
Anyways, turns out that those are some really flippin' weird truck sideframes, but I found them. The tooling is a dead-on match for those found in this kit, and nothing else:
According to HOSeeker, it "contains a Varney coil spring with pulley variable speed drive with side frames using a DC-60 Pitman motor. Motto of company 'Made in the West for Model Builders Everywhere'." Evidently this is the only kit the company ever manufactured, of an ALCo switcher sometime in the 1950s, and for some thoroughly bizarre reason they tooled their very own completely wrong EMD trucks for it. The ones shown are zamac but yours are brass, however they're rather distinctive and otherwise an exact match.
Which makes me wonder, how did YOU get them all the way across the pond?
Originally posted by PRR 4800Â -Â August 22 2014Â :Â 11:39:52 PM
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Hello PRR,
Although I think you are close... I have to disagree with the sideframes being an exact match. If you compare them side-by-side as I have, you will see they are very different in their details. Unfortunately, I can offer no other possible manufacturer with now, but I do know I have seen them before. My hunch is they would have gone with an early sand cast F3/FP7 I have seen before. (Not Varney). I have a friend who may have some insight, but early last year, his health failed him and he has not been in contact with anyone since.
Here is a pic i took of both side-by side and you can see they are different... I just wish i had another manufacturer to offer. But sadly i do not. Although, I think you are right in line with whoever they were, they were small, of limited production and of short existence.
/tyco/forum/uploaded/Mustangs_n_Trains/20140823154814_sideframe.JPG
Sean
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Posted - August 23 2014 : 7:10:09 PM
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*puts the parts together* AHA! they make a 2-6-4 
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Posted - August 29 2014 : 11:40:32 AM
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this is what turned up extra to the others,ideas welcome,ken
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Posted - August 29 2014 : 12:29:32 PM
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Ken,
I have identified what I could below:
Mantua Belle Domes (below them is the round headlight as stated above)
Gilbert / American Flyer post-war hudson (pre-war has flattened ends on the axles)
Looks like a Mantua pacific pilot truuck, but I would need to see both sides to be sure.
Below is a Mantua single air pump, It is in two pieces which screw together. It is held in place by mounting it on both sides of the diecast boiler mounted walkway
The lower corner is a Mantua early perwar Pacific/Atlantic brass sand dome. The post war models had diecast domes. One of the upper domes may be the smaller dome for this loco too. It is hard to tell from a straight down shot.
Mantua early perwar Pacific/Atlantic brass smoke stack.
Mantua early Mogul brass smoke stack.
Look like Penn Line eccentrics to me.
Square rods - used as eccentric rod guides which mount into the steam chest. Used bt Varney, Pennline & Bowser commony.
A Varney 2-stage air pump. Used on the Pacific/Mikado/Consol... etc.
Sean
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Posted - August 29 2014 : 12:30:26 PM
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One of those trucks look like they come from a Mantua loco of some kind. Some of the domes might be from a Mantua too. Plus, those trucks look like they come from Western Model's loco again. But besides that, you have me stumped.
-Steve
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Posted - August 29 2014 : 12:46:28 PM
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Hmph. As for the trucks, the bearings do look a bit different, granted, and it is a different metal, but otherwise they look identical to me. I wasn't able to find anything else on HOSeeker that did not have the outside brake beams as part of the sideframe casting, either, so if it's something different, chances are I won't find it.
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Posted - August 29 2014 : 12:51:47 PM
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cheers guys,all info useful,sean as requested ken
these 2 are same size as the mantua trailing truck ones shown earlier but axles are thicker
this pair are totally different to my mantua pacific
these look massive,clumpy or whatever word fits
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Posted - August 30 2014 : 1:07:00 PM
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| I have not the remotest clue. Does that help?
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Posted - August 30 2014 : 2:05:34 PM
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great,fantastic,brilliant,and that leaves,where i started lol
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Posted - August 31 2014 : 7:19:51 PM
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Aha! Trucks to a Megow PRR passenger car:
Those are hard-to-find little devils, and if you have no use for them, keep them around, because sometime I'll have a use for them myself. 3-piece trucks cast in particularly soft white metal, so I'm told. Prototype trucks were used on light passenger cars and express reefers.
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