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In a spur of the moment, I had bidded on a 2-8-0. But... after winning it, I have no idea who made it. So i'm kinda panicking.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/consolidation-2-8-0-/251521492715?ViewItem=&item=251521492715&nma=true&si=s3gD1xFgc%252FnhaAFz%252BrOs4LF4CiE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Posted - May 10 2014 : 8:45:03 PM
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The picture is gone so I can't see what it is. 
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Posted - May 10 2014 : 8:54:17 PM
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Scroll down the page he attached silly. Here I have it attached through taking a screenshot, which on windows 7 is called "the snippit tool".
Sorry buddy, I've never seen such a nice brass engine before. I don't think it's like any mantua I've seen, but it looks to be of a pre 1960's vintage. Anyone know this one?
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Posted - May 10 2014 : 9:02:12 PM
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If all the valve gear is there, you got a starting point t a new project.
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Posted - May 10 2014 : 9:05:18 PM
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Posted - May 10 2014 : 11:11:39 PM
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Oh dear....
Could be a very early Penn Line Connie maybe...don't think they had bolt on domes though. After a cursory search of the biggies in HO Seeker, I'm at a loss. The bolt on domes make it an early one though...
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| I don't think it's a varney. Too skinny. Varney 2-8-0's, at least all the ones i've seen, are more fat and look like the belong to the RDG. I'll take more pictures when I get it in.
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Posted - May 10 2014 : 11:23:08 PM
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My wild guess is that it's most likely 1940's vintage, but I have no idea at all of who made it except I don't think it's Varney or Mantua. You found something really cool there!
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quote:My wild guess is that it's most likely 1940's vintage, but I have no idea at all of who made it except I don't think it's Varney or Mantua. You found something really cool there!
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It actually kinda looks like the Mantua engine on the top area on the forum even though I'm pretty sure it's not a Mantua like what you said. Cool but weird little engine.
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Posted - May 11 2014 : 12:10:51 AM
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quote:
Scroll down the page he attached silly. Here I have it attached through taking a screenshot, which on windows 7 is called "the snippit tool".
Sorry buddy, I've never seen such a nice brass engine before. I don't think it's like any mantua I've seen, but it looks to be of a pre 1960's vintage. Anyone know this one?
Originally posted by Islanderh93Â -Â May 10 2014Â :Â 8:54:17 PM
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 I feel so dumb right now for not knowing that. Anyway, I looked at the other pictures the guy had and on the front it kinda looks like a Roundhouse product, on the side it kinda looks like a mix of a Mantua loco and a Varney locomotive. Do you have the seller's contact info? If so, you could ask him about what it might be. If not, my best guess is that the locomotive you won is a Roundhouse loco.
-Steve
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Posted - May 11 2014 : 12:21:16 PM
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| The guy doesn't know what it is either. Not roundhouse, cab is metal on this engine.
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Posted - May 11 2014 : 12:59:58 PM
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quote: quote:My wild guess is that it's most likely 1940's vintage, but I have no idea at all of who made it except I don't think it's Varney or Mantua. You found something really cool there!
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It actually kinda looks like the Mantua engine on the top area on the forum even though I'm pretty sure it's not a Mantua like what you said. Cool but weird little engine.
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Yeah, it looks similar, but my tell is the drivers. I have some spare Mantua drivers and the ones on this 2-8-0 don't look like them. Good way to tell things apart. Same with trucks on old freight cars, I can always identify a Silver Streak kit by the trucks, etc. etc...
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Posted - May 11 2014 : 1:55:31 PM
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quote:The guy doesn't know what it is either. Not roundhouse, cab is metal on this engine.
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Wait, hold on. Not even the seller you got the engine from knows what that engine is? Man, that engine is just shrouded in mystery, I'm telling ya.Also, I'm not sure if this helps or not but I zoomed in on the pictures and found that the engine seems to be made of brass or have a lot of brass parts so 
-Steve
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My first reaction was that this was an early John English or Red Ball kit from the 40's until you mentioned the brass construction. Most kits then had cast boilers with brass cabs etc. The drivers were usually brass. This one has me stumped!!
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Posted - May 11 2014 : 6:56:00 PM
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quote:My first reaction was that this was an early John English or Red Ball kit from the 40's until you mentioned the brass construction. Most kits then had cast boilers with brass cabs etc. The drivers were usually brass. This one has me stumped!!
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I feel the same way as you, Leo so don't feel bad. I've tried so many keywords on the internet, searched through HOseeker and Tony Cook's train page and still couldn't find anything that might even remotely resemble this locomotive. I'm actually starting to think that the 2-8-0 LGL got on Ebay is actually a kitbash of some kind. I don't know.
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Posted - May 12 2014 : 12:33:04 AM
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| Wow that thing is neat as heck! Even if it sits in the roundhouse garden tracks for a while it is still an amazing model.
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Posted - May 12 2014 : 8:10:10 PM
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| That is a cool locomotive.
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Posted - May 12 2014 : 8:33:36 PM
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Educated guess
Back in the 50's & 60's the Japanese were building models for import to the USA. These models often were low production items that were hand crafted in small shops. Most were brass, and some used lead alloy boilers. I suspect this is an old early import from Japan. These shops were more more like custom job shops than a production line.
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Posted - May 12 2014 : 9:36:37 PM
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Does this help?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3FNXkeXhOc
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Posted - May 12 2014 : 10:26:21 PM
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quote: Haha. Very funny.
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quote:How many of each type of animal did Moses have on the Ark?
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Moses led the Hebrew people out of Egypt.
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Posted - May 13 2014 : 12:27:19 AM
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Glenn,
You are correct! Noah built and stocked the Ark, with help that is.
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Posted - May 13 2014 : 02:40:35 AM
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| When you get it, take some photos of the bottom of it, maybe something with the boiler off the chassis.
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Posted - May 13 2014 : 09:22:22 AM
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| I do intend on taking MANY photos. But the more i look at it, the more i think it's a kitbash mongrel, which there is nothing wrong with that. But the origin of parts is a mystery. Boiler and cab doesn't look like anything i've ever seen. Country of manufacture of the motor should be stamped on the motor, at least that's where it's at on my mystery Brass 4-4-2 which I'll try to show later this week maybe today.
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Posted - May 13 2014 : 11:32:38 AM
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quote:I do intend on taking MANY photos. But the more i look at it, the more i think it's a kitbash mongrel, which there is nothing wrong with that. But the origin of parts is a mystery. Boiler and cab doesn't look like anything i've ever seen. Country of manufacture of the motor should be stamped on the motor, at least that's where it's at on my mystery Brass 4-4-2 which I'll try to show later this week maybe today.
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That's what I was thinking you should do. I think it's a kitbash loco of some kind. When is the loco arriving at your house because I'm really looking forward to your photos. Once you post you photos of the engine and the motor, we may be able to tell you what the heck that thing is. 
-Steve
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Posted - May 13 2014 : 11:27:11 PM
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quote:Glenn,
You are correct! Noah built and stocked the Ark, with help that is.
regards, John
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And when she could no longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the reeds by the river's bank. Exodus 2:3
No animals, but Moses was associated with an Ark of sorts.
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Posted - May 14 2014 : 6:44:44 PM
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And when it came to fill the Ark with two of every kind of toy train in the land, all the old brass steamers were packed away in boxes and he couldn't find them. This is why I can't find any at shows.
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Posted - May 14 2014 : 8:03:17 PM
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Engine came earlier than expected. Here are the pictures.
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Posted - May 14 2014 : 8:06:02 PM
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| Motor does run. I need a new rivet for the valve gear and it'll run perfectly. Will need to source some screws for the engine. Very handsome in person. If more pictures are needed, i can provide.
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Posted - May 14 2014 : 8:23:50 PM
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That locomotive has a TON of character.
http://tycodepot.com/
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Posted - May 14 2014 : 9:43:25 PM
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| It's construction reminds me of some of the New One Model or Aristocraft engines from Japan. No label or indication of manufacture.
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Posted - May 14 2014 : 9:43:59 PM
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Believe it or not, I'm shocked and pleased to hear that the mystery engine works. Also, it looks more stunning in your photos than it did in the picture on Ebay. And it looks like the loco has every part it needs except for the tender.Also, I have to agree, it does look like an Aristocraft/New One model just by looking at the pictures you took of it. I'll do some research and get back to you on it if I find anything.
-Steve
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quote: In response to my last post. I can't for the life of me find anything on this locomotive! But, I'm still pretty sure it's one of those made in Japan H0 locomotives from the 40's and 50's.
-Steve
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Posted - May 14 2014 : 10:20:48 PM
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Valve gear fixed, nothing a pair of needle noses couldn't handle. Extremely pleased that it worked out so well.
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Posted - May 14 2014 : 10:23:42 PM
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quote:Valve gear fixed, nothing a pair of needle noses couldn't handle. Extremely pleased that it worked out so well.
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Glad to hear it worked out for you.I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy the locomotive for many years to come. I would because it's awesome!
-Steve
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Posted - May 14 2014 : 11:04:44 PM
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I think this is someone's very ambitious kit bash. I have a Bowser H9 with the same cab cast right onto the boiler. The firebox looks the same, below the running boards. The smoke box differs some in that there are two courses of rivets behind the smoke stack on this engine and only 1 on the H9. The safety valves are the same. The H9 has a Belpaire firebox and this engine's firebox is round to match the boiler barrel, though there is no guarantee that it was always so.
The pilot is much different as are the cylinders and the main rods and cross head. The wheels are the same as the H9 except only the second pair are blind. Driver pair 3 of the H9 is also blind, where this engine has a flanged pair. The frame looks like an older version of the one on the Bowser H9. The rear hanger for the cross head guides is like the Bowser. The motor is a Pittman DC-60. Bowser used the DC-71. Anyway, there's a lot of Bowser or Penn Line in this model, but it's been changed a lot, too.
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Posted - May 15 2014 : 12:10:34 AM
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I would agree but there are still way too many differences. Cab roof instance, is different. Boiler doesn't appear to be machined, too clean. Firebox is a tad longer than an H9.
http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/uploaded/catfordken/20120721134958_2011-10-276.jpg
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Posted - May 15 2014 : 09:46:57 AM
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quote: It looks too different to be a Bowser H9 as scsshaggy said and now my hypothesis that this engine is a kitbash is getting stronger and stronger. I seriously think it's a kitbash. A good one though.
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Posted - May 15 2014 : 10:36:17 PM
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The motor is almost certainly a Varney. The geared drivers are completely different from the others: blind, plated, the counterweights are curved, etc. They seem to match a Mantua Mikado. The worm looks like a Mantua too. I think someone repowered it and figured it was easier to swap driver sets than axle gears.
As for the rest of it, if it were New One it would say so, or at least be marked Japan. It's too well built for New One as well. If it's Japanese I'd lean more towards Tenshodo or some small unknown manufacturer.
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Posted - May 16 2014 : 06:14:09 AM
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If all the valve gear is there, you got a starting point t a new project.
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quote:The motor is almost certainly a Varney. The geared drivers are completely different from the others: blind, plated, the counterweights are curved, etc. They seem to match a Mantua Mikado. The worm looks like a Mantua too. I think someone repowered it and figured it was easier to swap driver sets than axle gears.
As for the rest of it, if it were New One it would say so, or at least be marked Japan. It's too well built for New One as well. If it's Japanese I'd lean more towards Tenshodo or some small unknown manufacturer.
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I knew it!! It's a mishmash of parts! My theory is proved!
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| In my opinion, the 2-8-0 has its genesis from a John English or Penn Line H9. The motor is a Pittman DC-60, which Penn Line used on the H9 locomotive. From the eBay photographs, it appears that the cab roof is a separate item and is attached to the cab/boiler. It is an excellently done kit bashed locomotive.
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quote:In my opinion, the 2-8-0 has its genesis from a John English or Penn Line H9. The motor is a Pittman DC-60, which Penn Line used on the H9 locomotive. From the eBay photographs, it appears that the cab roof is a separate item and is attached to the cab/boiler. It is an excellently done kit bashed locomotive.
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That's exactly how I feel about that 2-8-0. Whoever did the kitbash on it did an amazing job on it. He must have as much knowledge on kit bashing as a lot of other members on this forum and that says a lot. Also, I have an Athearn GP-35 in Alaska Railroad livery and Athearn never made a locomotive in that livery and when I looked at it closely, I realized it was a custom. It took a about a year for me to finally figure that out!
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no tender? Got one anyway?
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If all the valve gear is there, you got a starting point t a new project.
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Posted - May 25 2014 : 9:20:32 PM
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Posted - May 27 2014 : 8:02:18 PM
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| Cool locomotive Mike and nice photos. I hear you talking about fixing a rivet problem with needle nose pliers and it makes me wonder about trying to mess with a rivet problem I'm having. What did you do? Just line the jaws up as best you could over the rivet and squeeze?
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Posted - May 27 2014 : 9:00:38 PM
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| That's is what I did. But I had wide square ones only available at the time.
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Posted - May 28 2014 : 11:07:46 AM
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LGL:
Ooooooo, a mystery. I don't think it's based on a Penn Line. PL used a DC60 but it was mounted level, with a large-diameter worm, and the cylinders and frame looked different. I think John English used a slant-mount motor like that, but I don't know what the English H9 was made of...probably zinc?
English H9 instructions:
http://hoseeker.net/johnenglish/johnenglish280h9.jpg
I'm going to dig through my 1940s MR magazines to see if I can turn up anything. There were a number of small manufacturers that popped up and went away shortly after the war.
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Posted - May 28 2014 : 12:07:17 PM
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| Some vintage collectors on the Yahoo Board, are of the opinion that the locomotive started out as a John English Mikado. They base this on the boiler front.
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