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 Posted - September 06 2013 : 12:20:27 AM
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I am in need of someone who could make a brass or metal boiler of this Alco 0-4-0T in Ho scale. My plan is to make an HO version of this engine and I'm no boilermaker. My specialty is running gear and frames. So I could make the frame and handle all the mechanics of this custom engine however I can not build a boiler or cab for it. I'm basically just wondering if anyone here could. This project is not out of the design stage yet but I'm trying to get everything arranged before hand so that it'll be a smooth project.
The engine in question is a 1926 Alco 0-4-0T which I have loved researching for the last 2 years. My fascination with the engine has to deal with the fact that it is the only surviving engine from the Folsom Prison Railroad. My interest in Folsom Prison history traces back to my love for Johnny Cash  So ever since I learned of a surviving steamer from the prison railroad I've had a drive to learn more.
I am very involved in actual tourist railroads in researching, learning about each ones steam restoration projects to see how each one is done and all that and to tell you the truth, my life goal or one of them, is to own the actual engine. I know the owner of an engine that worked alongside the Folsom #1 and I've talked to him a lot about my plans but that's a way way off dream goal.
Back to the HO project. Now being I don't own the actual engine and may or may not ever will, building an HO replica is my next best thing. So this is a call out to anyone who could make the boiler as you see it in the photos, or the cab. Any help is much appreciated!
To get an idea of what I'm trying to replicate, here are recent photos of it. These photos should also give someone an idea of how the boiler should look if built. Again thank you!
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 06:45:58 AM
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A while back in Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, there was a 2 part article on how to build a steamer out of styrene. I am sure with some time and patience, you could do it.
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 07:43:57 AM
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Very interesting subject.
I might could do this. I would need to have exact dimensions.
It's possible I could mill it from a piece of aluminum. You would have to add weight.
As for milling out of solid brass. Don't want to try that. Making it out of brass sheet and forming the boiler from that is a possibility.
Johnny Cash? Didn't expect that from a person your age. But, then again, you like VW beetles and old steamers.
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 10:45:04 AM
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That has to be a saddle tank engine of some sort with the tanks off. That would save you some effort, no need to detail the parts that won't be seen.
In fact, have a look at the new Bachmann 0-6-0T, it might make a good starting point, IIRC it's a Porter catalog engine.
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 3:53:49 PM
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quote:Very interesting subject.
I might could do this. I would need to have exact dimensions.
It's possible I could mill it from a piece of aluminum. You would have to add weight.
As for milling out of solid brass. Don't want to try that. Making it out of brass sheet and forming the boiler from that is a possibility.
Johnny Cash? Didn't expect that from a person your age. But, then again, you like VW beetles and old steamers.
Originally posted by NC shortlines - September 06 2013 : 07:43:57 AM
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Lets just say I don't fit well in my generation I love all the old stuff. Steam locomotives, genuine country music (50s-70's), old cars; VW, Dodge, Chevy, etc. But yeah I love Johnny Cash, George Jones, Roger Miller, Willie Nelson, Conway Twitty etc
Do you have any examples of boilers you've made? I just want an idea of what it would look like in ways of structure, etc.
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Edited by - SCVR66 on September 06 2013 3:59:00 PM
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 3:56:56 PM
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quote:That has to be a saddle tank engine of some sort with the tanks off. That would save you some effort, no need to detail the parts that won't be seen.
In fact, have a look at the new Bachmann 0-6-0T, it might make a good starting point, IIRC it's a Porter catalog engine.
Originally posted by lvrr325Â -Â September 06 2013Â :Â 10:45:04 AM
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It is a saddle tanker with the tank removed. As it stands I will not be building a saddle tank for it for now. I will eventually but not now. My plan is a Mantua 0-4-0 booster frame, with AHM A-3 cylinders, with Spectrum 0-6-0T Valve guides, and main rods. The motor, wheels, boiler, and cab still need to be figured out.
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 5:11:45 PM
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neato loco! 
Folsom Prison Railroad? coool What is the history on it? 
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 5:38:04 PM
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Not much is around that is just given to you. If one wished to learn about the railroad it takes a LOT of digging From everything I've gathered it lasted from the 1880's and lasted up until 1961. The Folsom #1 ^ was the last steam locomotive from the railroad and is the only surviving engine that worked there. Was acquired in 1926 and was used until the 50's when the small Plymouth diesel was an easier engine for all the jobs.
In total they had 6 steam locomotives over the time they ran the railroad.
A Sacramento Valley 4-4-0 #2 which came in 1889
A Central Pacific 4-4-0 #124, later renumbered to #1212, was there 1900-1905
A Central Pacific 4-6-0 #6, later #2000, was there 1905-1908
A Southern Pacific 4-6-0 #140, later #2066, was there for only one year, 1909
A Southern Pacific 4-6-0 #156, later #2083, was there from 1909-roughly 1925
then lastly the fresh from Alco 0-4-0T #1 arrived in 1926 and remained until the 1950's
Then in 1946 a surplus U.S Army 35 ton Plymouth was acquired and ran until the line closed in 1961.
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 7:10:31 PM
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quote:
Do you have any examples of boilers you've made? I just want an idea of what it would look like in ways of structure, etc.
Originally posted by SCVR66Â -Â September 06 2013Â :Â 3:53:49 PM
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You would have to ask that. Good question. I've only made one boiler and it turned out bad. I used sheet aluminum. I'm attempting another one. The boilers I"m doing have a taper to them. It's appears that your project has a boiler that is cylindrical it's entire length. Thus, fairly easy to make on a lathe. For yours I was thinking of turning down a solid aluminum rod and then boring out the center for the motor and weights. Then mill a slot for the drive mechanism.
Might not work out. But, I'd call it a learning experience.
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 7:12:59 PM
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quote:That has to be a saddle tank engine of some sort with the tanks off.
Originally posted by lvrr325Â -Â September 06 2013Â :Â 10:45:04 AM
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Good eye. It looked peculiar to me but, couldn't figure it out.
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 8:03:20 PM
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quote: quote:
Do you have any examples of boilers you've made? I just want an idea of what it would look like in ways of structure, etc.
Originally posted by SCVR66Â -Â September 06 2013Â :Â 3:53:49 PM
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You would have to ask that. Good question. I've only made one boiler and it turned out bad. I used sheet aluminum. I'm attempting another one. The boilers I"m doing have a taper to them. It's appears that your project has a boiler that is cylindrical it's entire length. Thus, fairly easy to make on a lathe. For yours I was thinking of turning down a solid aluminum rod and then boring out the center for the motor and weights. Then mill a slot for the drive mechanism.
Might not work out. But, I'd call it a learning experience.
Originally posted by NC shortlines - September 06 2013 : 7:10:31 PM
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Interesting!! Let me know how much it'd be to make one or a couple, depending on how well the first 1 or 2 go. I'd need the domes and smokestack too as well as the firebox attached to the boiler. I'm handling everything else and doing a boiler is not something I can do.
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Posted - September 06 2013 : 8:04:29 PM
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quote: quote:That has to be a saddle tank engine of some sort with the tanks off.
Originally posted by lvrr325Â -Â September 06 2013Â :Â 10:45:04 AM
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Good eye. It looked peculiar to me but, couldn't figure it out.
Originally posted by NC shortlines - September 06 2013 : 7:12:59 PM
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It was and still is a saddle tank locomotive however for now I won't be building a tank for my HO version. I'll make and install the braces that support it but the tank will come down the road.
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Posted - September 07 2013 : 12:51:42 AM
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Hyde, can you gain access to a carpenter with a wood lathe or a proper sized wood dowel or some type of rod? I say use the right size rod and bend what ever sheet material you prefer around it and do it again for the saddle tanks.
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Posted - September 07 2013 : 02:04:18 AM
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quote:Hyde, can you gain access to a carpenter with a wood lathe or a proper sized wood dowel or some type of rod? I say use the right size rod and bend what ever sheet material you prefer around it and do it again for the saddle tanks.
Originally posted by Redneck Justin - September 07 2013 : 12:51:42 AM
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Yes. However I'd like to see how NCshortlines does with the boiler. I'm very picky on it though. Needs to have the steam down, smokestack, and smokebox door front. The smokebox door doesn't have to open but It's got to look like it could.
Regarding the saddle tanks I will likely take a spectrum one or 2 and make one good one. That's is likely the last step.
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Posted - September 07 2013 : 07:41:24 AM
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I"ll need some dimensions on the boiler.
Diameter
Length.
The boiler does appear to have different diameters. The silver smokebox is smaller than the boiler.
Smokestack: I need dimensions for that also. Or you can buy a detail part that looks very close to what you want.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-PIA120-PFM-BACK-SHOP-BRASS-PARTS-D-RGW-K-27-SMOKE-STACK-/400441952433?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item5d3c3348b1
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Posted - September 07 2013 : 12:24:10 PM
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Will do! I'm currently building the cylinder casting for it and I'm using my operational SP booster so I can kind of see where things will be and how it will look. I won't get the base from the other booster for probably another week. That's the smokestack I need!! Great job finding that! Good that, that wasn't a big pain.
As much as I don't want to take apart my running booster to get an idea of everything I probably will so I can get you the dimensions for the boiler. Question, would you be able to make the boiler have a firebox? I decided I would build the cab out of wood which will be a huge challenge but that won't be till the boiler is done and being the cab wraps around the firebox that all needs to be in place
Here's the started cylinder casting. Installed a Bachmann footboard on the front because that's the look the pilot has, installed 2 MDC-Roundhouse 2-6-0 valve guides, and expanded the valve passages to fit an MDC-Roundhouse 2-6-0 main rod. The 2-6-0's single valve guide, and the look of the rod match that of the Folsom #1 almost perfectly. Couple more adjustments are needed on the valve passages before the valve seat covers will be installed but it's good progress!! Also found that the 2-6-0 yoke bar looks exactly like the one the Folsom has so it's all starting to come together!
There will be an official topic for the build as soon as more is done.
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