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 Posted - August 11 2013 : 7:10:07 PM
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Ever in the pursuit of new projects and such, I have came across that there exists an article somewhere that tells how a boiler from a Mantua Mikado (or Pacific, the guy couldn't remember which) can be mounted onto a Mantua 2-6-6-2. Supposedly in a Model Railroader magazine, (the guy also happened to not remember the month of year too) If anyone has it, can they pm me?
AND while I'm at it. Would it be alright if I post some articles of interest from magazines long gone and no longer in print, as a research resource of sorts and to help inspire fellow modelers?
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Posted - August 11 2013 : 10:36:05 PM
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Nope....That's not a Mantua 2-8-2 boiler, at all! Its actually a TYCO 2-8-0, boiler to fit a Mantua 2-6-6-2, to make up the "Moffat Mallets".....Interesting article to say the least!
I have a copy of the article someplace, on the computer, I'm just not sure its complete as I got it from someone that scanned it for me!!!!
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Posted - August 12 2013 : 10:23:37 AM
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| Yup, I know that one. Because I gave it to you xD It was from Model Rail Journal, sometime in 1991.
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Posted - August 12 2013 : 1:54:47 PM
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I believe the article is from Railmodel Journal June 1991. You can find it online here.
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/62/4504/june-1991-page-56
Hope This is helpful.
Regards, John ****************************************************
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Posted - August 12 2013 : 2:09:55 PM
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JRG,
That's AWESOME! Online I never knew that!
Mike, yeah I wasn't sure if that's the one you were looking for or not....I just never seen or heard of the article using the Mantua 2-8-2 or well, the Mantua "Light" boiler for the 2-8-2, or 4-6-2......
Interesting conversion tho!!!!!
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Posted - August 12 2013 : 2:13:46 PM
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Forgot an interesting find, I have found.....The Mantua "Heavy" boiler that fits the 2-8-2, is GREAT base model to a Western Maryland I-2, 2-10-0.....That fits pretty easily to a Bowser, PRR, I-1, 2-10-0....The tender from the PRR model, with a little work, is a match to the tender for the Western Maryland, loco too!
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Posted - August 12 2013 : 6:14:16 PM
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It must've been done. Because, look at these, the poor sod gave up on this project and listed it up on Ebay a few months back. If there is an article, I would LOVE to know how they accounted for the front weight. I had tried bidding on it but I lost. Another thing that confounds me is how did he mount the boiler on? And tons of other questions on how one of these would be built.
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Posted - August 12 2013 : 6:45:22 PM
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Mike,
WELL, 2 things....That boiler is not properly fitted right! The center dome (steam dome) would have been centered over the rear most cylinder chest, as that would have lined it up for the steam pressure then the front set would have been connected to articulating pipes.....
OR the domes were removed all together and re-detailed, later......
I tell ya, the more I look at that, the more I see C&O.....That be a good starting point for a C&O H-class, 2-6-6-2, like an H-4 or H-5....The boilers the right size, and diameter, and the domes are really close, BUT that small one, the steam dome, would have to be dead center of the rear most cylinder, just overhead of them....But that's what it looks like someone was building....
You know, what really aggravates me, is the fact that the front set of cylinders on the Moffat Mallets, if you looked were slide valve and the rear set were piston valve....That's what I need for "Old Maude" to get the drive train right, THEN the second 2-6-6-2 I have planned I need ALL the cylinders to be slide valve, and with Mantua it seems that they only equipt the "Logging" models, whether or not with or without a tender, got the slide valve cylinders!!!! The piston valve seems more common.....I have yet to get my hands on just a single steam chest of the slide valve type! And as it is, here I am, seeking out that type that's the most uncommon type of them! Go figure!
~John
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Posted - August 12 2013 : 8:53:00 PM
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| I see it now. The boiler needs to be shoved forward a bit, and that requires the firebox to be trimmed to fit. Had to do the same for my 2-6-6-0. Would a set of slide valve cylinder from a Rivarossi Casey Jones work?
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Posted - August 12 2013 : 10:43:41 PM
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Yep, you would have to center the cylinders to the black line I drew here:
As for the set of the Rivarossi slide valve cylinders, got a picture of them? Specifically the area that is fitted to the frame? ANS the height of them might be involved as well, I'm not sure if the height or how "low-slung" they are to have the crossheads to line up to the piston.
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Posted - August 12 2013 : 11:44:48 PM
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Hey Mike, I got a damned good one for ya!!!!! You know that article we were talking about with the Moffat "Pocket" Mallets? I just got to reading that article a bit more and paying a little more attention to it and I just thought of something.....I (like the fellow in that article) need a cab just like that brass one he speaks of and uses......... Why? The cab side windows, they're "arched" sort of like those used on Reading locomotives, now for my question, you know or have ANYTHING that has windows like that, (NOT from the Bachmann Reading 2-8-0, I've got plenty, and they won't work!)
IF I can find something to use for parts, I can make a cab, to fit the windows.....Something tells me, this isn't gonna be easy! As the Bachmann Reading 2-8-0, doesn't have a "frame" around those windows to cut out and use for a detail part, and that's what I'm trying to achieve here....
Any ideas?
And for that matter, anyone have an idea how or where to get a cab to have arched side windows? BRASS welcome too!
~John
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Posted - August 12 2013 : 11:59:58 PM
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| No ideas. I did a quick look around and found nothing. I had something on Ebay, and it ended and hasn't been relisted. A lot of New Haven guys have the same problem, might ask around there to see if they might have any ideas or actually know someone that does make them. I'll have to invest in a PSC catalog.
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Posted - August 13 2013 : 12:08:43 AM
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Mike,
I got a PSC catalog, They don't make one either! Go figure.....
Seems like I always choose to custom build something that turns out to be the most difficult SOB on the planet! LOL
BUT, that's what I'm good at.....That's another reason I want to get or well borrow one Mantua Camelback Cab....I want to toss that damned thing into a mold......I got a few customs to build of some B&O Camelback 2-8-0's......The interesting part is the possible "waste" of a cab that don't pour right, is a keeper for that little over hang on the rear for the fireman! BUT, that is a ways off.....Old Maude is a bunch closer to completion then the start of the B&O Camelback 2-8-0's......
New Haven used the same sort of cab side windows? Arched?
~John
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Edited by - EM-1 on August 13 2013 12:11:28 AM
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Posted - August 13 2013 : 11:25:30 AM
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Yes they did.
http://www.budd-rdc.org/sets/photos/drm16.png
Would love to find the nincompoop who put the tender on backwards....
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Posted - August 13 2013 : 11:44:35 PM
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| What happened to that end of track bumper? It's doing a split.
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Posted - August 14 2013 : 12:55:09 AM
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Mike,
I will definitely have to keep that in mind on the New Haven stuff.....That picture of the B&M B-15 is priceless with the tender........Bass-Ackwards.... UNLESS, that was a replacement tender, unloaded and rolled to the back of the cab to the B&M B-15.....Possible, but your right in the picture its backwards!
I will have to remember the NH and the B&M to make "Arched" windows.....NOW, to just find a damned cab with them, with 90 degree lower corners, and I'll have it made!
I do for some reason, remember seeing a New York Central cab as well with Arched side windows, but be damned if I can remember where I seen that and on what locomotive......YES, it was HO scale, not the real thing!
lvrr,
Yeah.... looks like took a hit, a bit too hard!
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Posted - August 14 2013 : 12:32:29 PM
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| Check out rivarossi heisler cabs, quite a bit of cutting and gutting but it does have an arched window and the cab itself is on ebay frequently for some odd reason.
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Posted - August 14 2013 : 2:57:00 PM
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Mike,
Yes, I have one, but at what they sell for, I can't justify cutting one up....IF I had a spare, I'd think about it, but I'd have to think really hard as they are selling for a lot more then I'm willing to pay, just to cut it up! As the Heisler, has a "door" in the cab side, that would have to be removed, along with the roof top line, would need re-contoured.....A lot of work on a $40 cab that I could use else where, as it is!
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Posted - August 15 2013 : 7:04:17 PM
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| Keep an eye out for a Mellor #443 arch window 90" brass cab kit.
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Posted - August 16 2013 : 07:25:38 AM
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Mike,
Thanks for that info! I will keep my eyes out for that cab......SAY, isn't that the brass cab used for those B&M modelers too? I may have some LUCK finding that one in this area! Now THATS promising!
~John
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