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 Posted - July 15 2013 : 6:09:26 PM
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I'm wondering if the wheels/drivers on a Mantua 4-8-0 are supposed to be smaller than the wheels/drivers on the 4-6-0? I would have thought the space between the wheels on the 4-6-0 could have easily been filled with another of the same size wheels to make the 4-8-0, but the wheels are smaller? Is this right? Thank you. Barry
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Posted - July 15 2013 : 7:46:22 PM
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| It is correct. I fortunately have both engines and I was able to compare sizes out of curiosity.
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Posted - July 15 2013 : 8:39:41 PM
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The 4-8-0 drivers are the same size as their 0-4-0's and 0-6-0's.
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Posted - July 16 2013 : 3:19:43 PM
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| Thanks for your help. Man, that seems odd. I've got some specs for Baldwin Locos that think I'll look at and see if the prototypes were that way as well.
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Posted - July 16 2013 : 3:20:30 PM
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| Realizing of course that these are supposed to be Rogers Locos.
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Posted - July 16 2013 : 3:30:25 PM
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um Rodgers locos are 4-6-0s actually
Same as Sierra #3 Which has been in ALOT of movies commecials & tv shows hehe
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Posted - July 16 2013 : 3:32:05 PM
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| There is information on the driver size of Rogers locomotives and it looks to me like the prototype drivers on the 4-6-0s were indeed larger than the 4-8-0s.
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Posted - July 16 2013 : 6:24:05 PM
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| Meh, doesn't really matter anyway. It can be Baldwin, Rogers, or Alco. All had products similar to each other.
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Posted - July 16 2013 : 9:56:56 PM
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quote:The 4-8-0 drivers are the same size as their 0-4-0's and 0-6-0's.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â July 15 2013Â :Â 8:39:41 PM
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This is true on the "regular" OR the Conventional type 0-4-0's and 0-6-0's, BUT it is NOT the case on the 0-4-0 Camelback OR the 0-6-0 Camelback.....I have both and the 0-6-0 drivers on mine are smaller in diameter then the 0-4-0 Camelback! Both were built as RTR models in the late 1980's early 1990's......Mantua blue box.
Reason being, I had noticed a slight "wobble" on my 0-4-0 Camelback, and wanted to try and correct it, had an extra Mantua 0-4-0 driver from another Camelback, and because of the driver size, would not work!
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Posted - July 22 2013 : 01:12:45 AM
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According to what little research I did on the web, and I certainly could be mistaken, Rogers made an array of locomotives; the 4-6-0 among them. You can even find driver size for some of their locomotives. What I did see was that they had "some" 2-8-0's with smaller drivers than "some" of their 4-6-0's, but you could also look and find that driver size might vary within a 'class', if I'm using that correctly (e.g., one 4-6-0 with a different size driver than another 4-6-0). I'm thinking Tyco-Mantua did the smaller drivers on the 2-8-0 for the sake of expediency and being able to use the same boiler and cab as the 4-6-0. I do think they are too small, though, even if you are looking at a prototype with a smaller driver, if you measure it out in HO scale, the 2-8-0 driver would be too small. Don't get me wrong, I'm really into Tyco-Mantua steam locomotives; it's all I have (7 of them). This is my first 4-8-0, though, and it disappoints me that while the 4-8-0 should be a more powerful locomotive, than the 4-6-0, it sits lower on the track and just doesn't "impress" the way the 4-6-0 does. Straighten me out if need be.
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Posted - July 22 2013 : 01:27:08 AM
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Sometimes you gotta make do with what you got.
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Posted - July 22 2013 : 5:34:10 PM
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DAMN that's close Mike! You build that?!!!!!!!
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Posted - July 22 2013 : 8:09:40 PM
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| Unfortunately no. It was just an example I stumbled across.
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Posted - July 23 2013 : 02:10:00 AM
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| That is fine! Are you gonna tell me that's a Tyco-Mantua?
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Posted - July 23 2013 : 06:43:44 AM
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| Sure is. Certain of it.
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Posted - July 23 2013 : 12:24:57 PM
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I would really enjoy seeing more pictures of that to check out what the builder did to detail that so fine. I did find the following note on Rogers 4-8-0 locomotives . . . 
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Posted - July 23 2013 : 1:03:56 PM
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http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/p/136284/1528846.aspx#1528846
Here you go.
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Posted - July 24 2013 : 12:40:40 AM
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| Thanks Switcher. I checked that page out. Would have been fun to see a photo story about his rebuild. I dug that crane that he powered with the tender.
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Posted - July 24 2013 : 06:50:43 AM
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http://s115.photobucket.com/user/paustinsmith/library/?sort=3&page=1
Here's more of the guys stuff.
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Posted - July 24 2013 : 11:04:08 AM
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| Crazy! On a scale of 1 to 10, guys like this make me realize my modeling ability is at level one.
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Posted - July 24 2013 : 12:18:42 PM
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| Don't get discouraged. Aspire to be like them and soon enough, you'll be there. But there is always someone better, I can guarantee you that.
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Posted - July 25 2013 : 04:02:30 AM
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I got a few pictures of my own to add here.. these following pictures just so happen to be TYCO models, that were the 2-8-0 OR 0-8-0 tender powered loco's.....
Needless to say, I got some more work to do, when I'm back to that "mode" but it is closer to done, now then since these pictures were taken! BUT, I had an idea to change it a bit as I think I got a better boiler for the loco its to be, then making one!
I got another I have to get pictures of! Sadly, I had pictures of it, BUT, lost all of them in the shuffle of computer issues (Its been so long since I posted pictures of it), I can't remember when the last time was, to determine which computer might have been the one to loose them!
BUT, its made from 2 of the TYCO tender powered 8 coupled, that have been machined down to be 2, 0-6-0's, to be built into a single 0-6-6-0, that was to become "Old Maude" till I got my hands on a Mantua 2-6-6-2 to use instead, so now this TYCO I designed and built, will be a Western Maryland M-1a, either the 0-6-6-0, OR the rebuild from Hagerstown to, a 2-6-6-0.....Haven't decided yet.
I will post pictures when I get new ones of it!
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Posted - July 25 2013 : 10:28:07 AM
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| Nice work Big Boy. If you ever get the urge, I'd like to see a little how to photo story of placing a can engine on a Mantua frame. Thanks. Barry
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Posted - July 25 2013 : 3:41:33 PM
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Barry,
Believe it or not, that's NOT a Mantua! That's a tender powered TYCO! Originally that frame, NEVER had a motor on it, it was merely for a "cam" to act as a smoke "puffer" for the smoke unit in the loco's boiler! A little "arm" that hit a push rod as the wheels went around, to simulate "puffing" smoke from the smoke stack!
I merely used the hole in the frame to take a gear (milling machine work) and added a gear to the driver axle.
BUT if you noticed, its a 10 drivered locomotive, TYCO never made a 10 drivered locomotive! Its 2 8 drivered locos machined to become a 10 coupled....a 0-10-0 to be exact!
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Posted - July 26 2013 : 01:46:37 AM
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So to my limited eye, it looks like you sort of added an extra 'front end clip'; cut a 2-8-0 framed just behind the pilot (or so) and then cut another just behind the front drivers and then put those together? Or something like that? That's pretty bold. Have you had it running? Then I guess you have to mess with the side rods? Keep the photos coming if this is a work in progress. The wheels match up real nice. I dig seeing what folks do with these Tyco-Mantua steamers. Some amazing things. And . . . I guess as long as your talking 10 wheelers, I'll add a photo of the tender of a Mantua 4-6-0 that I just put new trucks on. The trucks are from Precision Scale Co. ($11.50). I hadn't intended to get brass; just wanted to try some new trucks on the tender to improve electric flow. No other changes and I'm able to operate the loco 10 to 15 miles per hour slower (by the transformer for whatever the heck that means; looks good anyway). I should paint them black, but I'm kinda gettin' off on the brass look. They were work, though. You have to clean them up a bit (stuff in the holes with like a 1/16 bit) and then assemble them while making sure not to send that little spring flying across the carpet. 
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Posted - July 26 2013 : 02:34:15 AM
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Barry, I like the way that 10 wheeler is looking, and the new PSC trucks look great, though they may be too modern for a loco of that era. I'd go with archbars if your LHS has them.
I would also consider axle wipers to reinforce the electrical path, because you don't want the springs to become the only conductor, which can happen when the bolster comes out of contact with the sideframe. It can heat them up and collapse them, especially under heavy load or a short.
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Posted - July 26 2013 : 11:05:25 AM
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| Thanks for the tip Big Boy. I'm still pretty ignorant about what equipment goes with what on the detail side of things such as which trucks are supposed to be used with specific era. I mean I have some basic ideas like passenger trucks don't go on a freight car. I'll check those arch bars out. And I need to learn more about the business of axle wipers. It's always something isn't it. I think you can put more time in building an HO locomotive than the real thing.
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Posted - July 27 2013 : 01:10:46 AM
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quote:I think you can put more time in building an HO locomotive than the real thing.
Originally posted by Barry - July 26 2013 : 11:05:25 AM
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Ain't that the truth. I think many of us have, especially with those projects that sit on a shelf for years. 
Btw, name's Nelson, or NickelPlate if you prefer. /tyco/forum/uploaded/NickelPlate759/icon_mi_12.gif
Edit: here's a Model Railroader guide to freight truck types. I just saved a copy myself.
http://mrr.trains.com/~/media/import/files/pdf/4/c/c/mr_pi_5-06_freightcartrucks.ashx
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Posted - July 27 2013 : 01:35:21 AM
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not sure how many times this video about a certain freight truck company has been posted, but it'll always be entertaining... enjoy! 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Peu5hH9vy7E
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Posted - July 27 2013 : 2:53:46 PM
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| Thanks Nelson. I'll check that out before I buy any more trucks.
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