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Here is my Loco of the week, I have been after one of these to finish up all my Mantua and TYCO GP20's. I want one of those dynamic brakes that fit at the top, so if any of you see one on ebay please let me know.
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Posted - June 04 2013 : 10:38:39 AM
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A Life like P2000, PRR SD9.
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Posted - June 04 2013 : 12:18:19 PM
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This is my LOTW:
It is an all brass Knapp 4-8-2 Mountain. Did not realize it was a Knapp until after I made the purchase. I was thinking it was a 4-6-2 Varney Pacific when I bid, but after looking at it on my computer rather than my cell phone, I can now clearly see what it is. Makes it an even better purchase then. The Knapp model is about 2-3x as rare as the Bowser version. The main difference between the Knapp and Bowser versions are the drivers. The Knapp are spoked and the Bowser are box-poc.
The tender in these photos is Varney.
Sean
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Posted - June 04 2013 : 4:02:27 PM
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My new in the box i bought years ago C&O BL2
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Posted - June 04 2013 : 6:52:13 PM
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I picked up this BL-2 at the Shenendoah show last month, haven't tried to run it yet. This makes my 3rd Monon BL-2.
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Posted - June 04 2013 : 7:42:22 PM
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Spectrum undecorated (for now) 0-6-0T SCVR's "Eight Ball" as we call her or the boring term #8. 
I buy, repair, and collect
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Posted - June 05 2013 : 09:32:41 AM
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quote:I picked up this BL-2 at the Shenendoah show last month, haven't tried to run it yet. This makes my 3rd Monon BL-2.
Jerry
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I have one in my collection. A fellow member of the model railroad club I belonged to, brought it along with a few others to the club to give away since they were not upgradeable to DCC. No one else wanted them, so I brought them home. They were going into the trash if no one wanted them. I rescued them from meeting that kind of fate.
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 Posted - June 05 2013 : 3:49:35 PM
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ohhh you lucky I wasn't there, badman55! Or I'd of beaten him with a stick! GRRR!
I HATE people who toss out non-DCC locos  Lots of us can't afford those rediculous prices on DCC stuff sheesh 
Good for you for saving these 
SAVE DC STUFFS!!!
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Posted - June 07 2013 : 3:41:43 PM
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A $20 find at a pawn shop, a all die cast and brass gearing single truck Varney with a super nice box and paper work! Just gonna add a coupler soon and one day re-paint in Southern. The lettering and everything thing is hand painted on!
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Posted - June 12 2013 : 11:56:18 AM
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The Knapp mountain is not HO scale - it is designed at an eighth of an inch to a foot. The difference is minimal. If the boiler, frame and cylinders are cast bronze it is definitely a Knapp. These were first sold in the forties.
The drivers are not Box-poc - the Manua pacific has Box-poc drivers, The Knapp/Bowser engines had Scullin disc drivers (ala New York Central streamlined hudsons.) It was Bowser who later made spoked drivers available. If your engine is Zamac or lead it is a Bowser. I would think yours is early Bowser because they made either kind of driver available. The original Knapp Scullin disc drivers found their way to the challenger model.
You have a rare item and might want to strip off the lurid paint and repaint it a suitable shade of black. I had a friend who kept his in unpainted condition. The engine kit never came with a tender.
Enjoy your engine. I have one piece of bad news - as heavy as those engines were they weren't great pullers - they were especially bad if you put a big, clunky Bowser die cast tender behind it. For best reults find an old Varney Casey Jones or Old Lady tender. They are very close to USRA proportion and look nice behind the Knapp engine. Bowser made the tender in a die cast version.
I am envious of your find - I had a Knapp mountain many years ago and stupidly traded it away.
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Posted - June 12 2013 : 12:21:49 PM
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quote:| It was Bowser who later made spoked drivers available. If your engine is Zamac or lead it is a Bowser. I would think yours is early Bowser because they made either kind of driver available. The original Knapp Scullin disc drivers found their way to the challenger model. |
Sorry I have to partially disagree with this statement. Bowser later changed the drivers FROM the spoked drivers to the Scullin drivers. The reason for this was due to the original spoked drivers had problems with shorting out. The later scullin drivers resolved this problem.
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The Knapp version is rare. I see ten+ Bowser for every one Knapp. If listed correctly, they have been fetching over $100. I found two Knapp versions within the past couple month and snagged them in with small groups of other engines for less than $70 for each purchase. After sorting out the other items, I suppose I paid less than $35 for each. One is missing the pilot truck, but has the tender. This one is missing the tender. I kind of like the look of this big old Ayres/Varney tender that is with this one. The tender was also produced by Bowser, but much later and there were some slight changes made to the base. This one is definitely either the earlier Ayres or the later Varney reproduced model.
As for the paint. I kind of like the old paint patina. I try to keep them as original as I can when the paint is good. I have two already in all black and they are less interesting as far as I am concerned. This one is bright and eye catching without being too tacky.
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I can not speak for the original kit produced in the 1940's, but by the time Bowser took over production, it had a cast brass tender offered with it.
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Enjoy your engine. I have one piece of bad news - as heavy as those engines were they weren't great pullers - they were especially bad if you put a big, clunky Bowser die cast tender behind it. For best reults find an old Varney Casey Jones or Old Lady tender. They are very close to USRA proportion and look nice behind the Knapp engine. Bowser made the tender in a die cast version.
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It is a shelf queen for me. Those motors are definitely not great pullers. Bowser offered a Brass cast tender with this which was also offered with the Knapp version. I have tow of the Knapp models and the other one has the same tender as the Bowser. I think you are confusing this with their newer all die-cast model. I don't have one of those.
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I am envious of your find - I had a Knapp mountain many years ago and stupidly traded it away.
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Thanks. I understand completely the sentiments.
Sean
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Posted - June 12 2013 : 12:23:46 PM
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I have to correct an error or two in my posting about Knapp and Bowser. I trusted my memory which is a bad thing for me to do. Knapp started to produce the 1/8th inch scale mountain in 1940. They had problems paying their bills and owed the foundry money so Bill Bowser paid the bill and acquired the Knapp tooling. He didn't get the tooling for the spoke castings and realized through research that some USRA mountains were equipped with Scullen disc drivers. He could make those in his machine shop so he used them until he could get castings made for spoked drivers. Before Bowser took over Knapp he made only the NYC K-11 and the UP Challenger. An online history states that he redid most of the Knapp tooling because it was under scale. He produced Bronze/brass kits until the Korean war caused a shortage of copper.
e]The Knapp mountain is not HO scale - it is designed at an eighth of an inch to a foot. The difference is minimal. If the boiler, frame and cylinders are cast bronze it is definitely a Knapp. These were first sold in the forties.
The drivers are not Box-poc - the Manua pacific has Box-poc drivers, The Knapp/Bowser engines had Scullin disc drivers (ala New York Central streamlined hudsons.) It was Bowser who later made spoked drivers available. If your engine is Zamac or lead it is a Bowser. I would think yours is early Bowser because they made either kind of driver available. The original Knapp Scullin disc drivers found their way to the challenger model.
You have a rare item and might want to strip off the lurid paint and repaint it a suitable shade of black. I had a friend who kept his in unpainted condition. The engine kit never came with a tender.
Enjoy your engine. I have one piece of bad news - as heavy as those engines were they weren't great pullers - they were especially bad if you put a big, clunky Bowser die cast tender behind it. For best reults find an old Varney Casey Jones or Old Lady tender. They are very close to USRA proportion and look nice behind the Knapp engine. Bowser made the tender in a die cast version.
I am envious of your find - I had a Knapp mountain many years ago and stupidly traded it away.
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Posted - June 12 2013 : 1:10:36 PM
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Here is a C&EI loco BL-2 idk who made it 
But it was $10 or $15 I think from a train show
& stupid me I left a N&W loco in Bicentennial colors!
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Posted - June 12 2013 : 1:19:50 PM
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| believe made by mehano for ahm,ken
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Posted - June 12 2013 : 3:14:02 PM
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That BL-2, pictured here would be made by AHM, from the days before IHC/Mehano.....
Ought to have the reartruck, powered, with a vertical standing motor connected directly to the truck, through a rather large hole in the frame, that pivots on a long shaft that presses through the truck and "ears" on the frame, which is also how to release the motor from the frame for repairs, or lubrication!
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Posted - June 12 2013 : 3:17:38 PM
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Sean,
NICE find! As for the Knapp, it was made to 1/8th to the foot scale, and is slightly off from HO scale, BUT not to noticeable UNLESS the drivers and wheels are not spaced outward alittle more, as it will have issues running on normal HO scale track due to the scale of it BUT is easy to remedy as you would have to "slide" each wheel only .015 of an inch to get it somewhere close to the NMRA gauge spacing....
So, I have to agree with LIGuy45, as the differences to this loco to HO is VERY minimal!
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Posted - June 12 2013 : 5:22:58 PM
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I got this lovely engine for a good price. Missing the tender but so what. Locomotive has never been ran before, wheels are clean. Apparently, whatever was used for lubrication of the axles had gummed up over the years. The motor is still good! Might just keep it in there. Locomotive was partially assembled and holes predrilled, hardest part done with.
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Posted - June 13 2013 : 01:41:02 AM
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Mike,
Good ole "Casey Jones" you got there!
You know, as I set here, and think of it, I may have an extra tender for that guy you got pictured! Let me check to be sure!
~John
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Posted - June 23 2013 : 11:57:28 AM
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Check the drivers to see that the zamac metal is okay. I notice that the box doesn't show any screws. If you need 2-56 screws I've got tons and you can have as many as you need from me for only the price of postage. You should be able to locate a proper tender online. Bowser last made them in die cast metal. The Casey Jones originals were plastic with a zamac frame.
quote:I got this lovely engine for a good price. Missing the tender but so what. Locomotive has never been ran before, wheels are clean. Apparently, whatever was used for lubrication of the axles had gummed up over the years. The motor is still good! Might just keep it in there. Locomotive was partially assembled and holes predrilled, hardest part done with.
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Posted - June 23 2013 : 12:06:03 PM
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| Screws are there, just buried. If I do need them, which i probably will, i will contact you. The wheels look alright, no rot or pest on them.
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Posted - July 16 2013 : 11:37:18 AM
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quote: Yeah I hear you Ben. I don't have DCC either. If you got a big enough layout to fill a big room, it would be neccessary, and I would consider spending extra money for it. I don't justify getting DCC for a 4 x 8 layout.
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| re bl-2 engine I have one and is stamped AHM TEMPO on the bottom. Runs OK without any pressures on the drive, but put it on the rails and she sounds like she is dragging along the tie tops. I suspect a problem with the gearing. any ideas or advice?
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Posted - July 19 2013 : 4:24:10 PM
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quote:re bl-2 engine I have one and is stamped AHM TEMPO on the bottom. Runs OK without any pressures on the drive, but put it on the rails and she sounds like she is dragging along the tie tops. I suspect a problem with the gearing. any ideas or advice?
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What rail size you running on your layout? Sounds like it could be noise from the flange of the wheels hitting the rail spikes of the track on code 83 or smaller rail.....The older AHM/TEMPO units were known to have long flanged wheels and will hit the spikes, as its ran.....
IF not that, it could also be that the trucks frame bottom plate, (should be a metal plate) that isn't screwed down tight and is allowing the gears to skip teeth and when pressure is added (weight) to the unit, the force of running could be throwing the idler out and sucking it back in all in a running motion.
IF that isn't doing it and it still remains to do it, might have some worn teeth on the gearing, check them all to be sure they have all their teeth in place to continue to run. IF They are worn down and only partially in place, it could be the teeth grinding against each other when in motion!
Just a few things to check first, there are more things to be doing it as well...
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Posted - July 21 2013 : 12:29:26 PM
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| I am running on code 100 rail. you may be right about the gear slop, as there is a lot of excessive play in the drive wheels. the problem now is replacing the gears. I seem to rember there was a post here about repairing these drives, in a diesel unit I think.
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Posted - July 21 2013 : 7:20:01 PM
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might you have a picture of the unit that you have? The truck and the bottom plate also showing what the gearing looks like? I may have replacement gearing to fit that and rid you of the issue! PM if your interested and have pictures for me to determine the year that you have of that model!
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Posted - July 25 2013 : 01:19:00 AM
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This is my Brass Bowser with the "Super Motor" and original tender.
the first Moutains came with SCULLEN wheels, bowser later offered spoked wheels.
Because Bowser had not the tools to make spoked drivers in the first time!
The spoked wheels came first with the K-11 Paciffic!
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Posted - July 25 2013 : 02:12:46 AM
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Erich,
Dats Purdy man! NICE!
~John
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