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 Posted - April 05 2013 : 12:11:47 AM
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Appears to be all original, die cast thick Zamac or Aluminum - body seems to be one piece, frame and all. Long shank dummy knuckle couplers. Trucks look original as well. No names marked anywhere on it. Somewhat resembles an Erie Stillwell or other low roof clerestory coach. I'd guess it's prewar, but it's not Flyer or Lionel.
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Posted - April 05 2013 : 09:33:15 AM
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* A nice car . too bad you have just one . It doesn't look like a stillwell car. Stillwell windows are in pairs. Windows are arranged like a standard coach. I can't help with a name. Those cast cars came and went. Were replaced with extruded aluminum cars by many manufactures. Companies would extrude the sides, punch out the windows, and cast most everything else. With tyco-mantua, Kasiner, Rail Chief, American toy train, Sampson, Blue line, Herkimer, and others made these extruded aluminum cars. Now JC models made stamped aluminum sides with separate cast ends and roof. Your car you say is a one piece casting. If the walls and floor is one piece, the roof must have been a separate part. Maybe Sean has something like your car.
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Posted - April 05 2013 : 10:04:38 AM
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| hi lvrr325,it must come apart in some way,i would have thought,either roof from body or chassis from body ken
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Posted - April 05 2013 : 10:17:07 AM
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Hi Ken. The detail on the underneath should identify the car. I have none like it. I'm going to see charlie on wednesday if nothing weather, changes the date I will bring along a photo I'll copy of the cars. He is my know it all friend. I'll see what he has to say about it. Other car were made with those windows, roof and ends. The way that floor is made is the key. The trucks and the strange coupler arms I have on streanlines metal cars. maybe they are not from that car. The company that made my cars put their name on the bottom of everything they made. So it aint them.
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Posted - April 05 2013 : 1:00:50 PM
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The passenger car was produced by Knapp. Knapp also made a brass mountain, which was later produced by Bowser. The car is cast aluminum and the trucks and couplers appear to be original. Knapp made HO trains from 1931 to 1946, when Bill Bowser obtained the company.
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Posted - April 05 2013 : 3:10:21 PM
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So that is where the bronze mountain came from. Did bowser make the NYC K-11 and the challanger or did they come from someone eles also. Those were the 3 locomotives that were produced by Bowser when based on the west coast. This is before they aquired Penn Line.
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Posted - April 05 2013 : 3:29:36 PM
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this should confirm it ken
http://hoseeker.org/gallery/index.php?album=hotrains2%2Fknapp&image=Knapp-passenger-car-truck.jpg
http://hoseeker.org/gallery/index.php?album=hotrains2%2Fknapp&image=Knapp-passenger-car.jpg
with thanks to waw47 for the lead
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Posted - April 05 2013 : 3:40:17 PM
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| http://www.railstop.com/History/Bowser/BowserHistory.asp Link to Bowser History
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Posted - April 08 2013 : 1:23:02 PM
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Thanks, guys.
I bought this lot from a guy who first sold out of it at a train show and there was a pair of cars, but a lady bought one to display on their mantel.
I figure Knapp collectors are about as rare as Knapp pieces, but the car doesn't look bad so I'll hang onto it for something different.
The only seam I see in it is down the middle, so perhaps that's how it was put together.
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Posted - April 27 2013 : 8:12:32 PM
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I was told by the old timer at Kalmbach when I got mine that they were sand-cast in one piece (like an engine block). The "parting line" was where the mold halves connected.
I don't have trucks with mine...well, I have a set of Varney trucks to put under it. I have three English coaches also, and at least two Varney cardstock ones...make a nice train someday....
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Posted - April 27 2013 : 11:22:48 PM
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Two shots of my primered, glass-beaded Knapp coach.
Dave
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