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I've been kept busy these last few months. During that time i have acquired 2 tyco 4-8-0's and a Mantua yardgoat 0-4-0. After acquiring these engines, i've had no inclination to bother looking for more motive power. Well, anyway, I also had a Mantua Camelback boiler and tender sitting around, saving them for a 2-10-0 camel. I got fed up with looking for a 2-10-0 chassis and/or trying to making one. All of which led to me getting the 4-8-0's.
Construction is going well so far. Boiler being partly mounted to the chassis, new drawbar made, motor running as best as I can get it to, a set of tyco 0-8-0 cylinders cut to be angled inwards and to raise the boiler up. And now it is the long wait for parts. For weight, i'll be using heavy 3/4" nuts, stuffing the boiler with them. I'll be experimenting with nutserts for the front part of the engine to mount it since I have rear taking care of. If that plan fails, I can always stuff the steam chest full of epoxy putty and the drill afterwards to give the screw that holds the pilot truck something to bite into and hold. Will be adding pictures soon.
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Posted - March 22 2013 : 11:31:58 AM
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Posted - March 22 2013 : 11:39:25 AM
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Looking pretty good! Can't wait to see the progress!
Sean
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Posted - March 22 2013 : 11:56:17 AM
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| LGLrr845,will concur with Sean,keep us posted on progress ken
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Posted - March 22 2013 : 1:01:41 PM
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* 4-8-0 camelbacks, a good locomotive to model. The spacing of the axels on the Mantua 4-8-0 matches the CNJ K1 class 4-8-0 camelback. Do you have a prototype you are modeling. A particular railroad, or just making it for a home road.
* Also varney cylinders as on a casey jones angle in more. Brooks built most of the 4-8-0 camelbacks that were made. Brooks also made the sharply angled in cylinders for inside valve gear use. Only main rods and side rods on the outside. You couldn't see the valve gear. Most of these 1895 + or - era locos when rebuilt had regular cylinders added. Sometimes it is easier to make a rebuilt model than a as built one.
* Do you have any drawings of a 4-8-0c ?
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Posted - March 22 2013 : 1:53:35 PM
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| I'm just modeling for a home railroad, Lehigh and Great Lakes. I wish I had a set of varney cylinders, would've save a lot of cutting. And unfortunately, I have no drawings of a CNJ K1, i'm just using my eyes and what looks to be about right. I got some 3/4" nuts and they aren't as heavy as I thought they'd be. Only .7 of an ounce.
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Posted - March 22 2013 : 2:58:33 PM
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Very interesting project, and nice job angling those cylinders. Can't wait to see more.
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Posted - March 22 2013 : 3:19:59 PM
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Like it so far! Must be building a V8, I see intake manifold gaskets!
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Posted - March 22 2013 : 3:38:03 PM
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| My dad is an Oldsmobile guy and we have a couple V8's in the works. A 455, a 425, and a 318. I might be wrong about the 425 though, but they are all Olds.
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Posted - March 22 2013 : 7:22:53 PM
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LGLrr845,
I just got to looking, I think we might know each other! Your projects seem to be REALLY close to a guy I have been in contact with in e-mail! AND his name is also "Mike"
It sure is a small world!
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Posted - March 22 2013 : 8:03:03 PM
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| You found me!
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Posted - March 23 2013 : 02:49:39 AM
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So Mr. Fischer, how ya been? Besides a broken hand and now needing some surgery, not to bad otherwise.....(I have to admit, I'll be glad, when its all over with!)
As I said, it sure is a small world! Specially on the World Wide Web!
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Posted - March 23 2013 : 11:16:22 AM
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I've been busy with this engine and giving up on finding a Rivarossi 844 boiler front.
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Posted - March 24 2013 : 9:03:16 PM
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could not help but post this beautiful quality shot of a 4-8-0 camelback ken
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Posted - March 24 2013 : 9:09:17 PM
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quote:I've been busy with this engine and giving up on finding a Rivarossi 844 boiler front.
Originally posted by LGLrr845Â -Â March 23 2013Â :Â 11:16:22 AM
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The Rivarossi 4-8-4 FEF is or well seems to be the more difficult steamer by Rivarossi to find parts for! But, that boiler front you got there, looks VERY familiar!
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Posted - March 25 2013 : 12:49:34 AM
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Great picture, Ken. Interesting to see the tapered connecting rods. I wonder what the large blocks are on either side of the front coupler... for shoving duties, perhaps?
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Posted - March 25 2013 : 08:32:55 AM
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quote:could not help but post this beautiful quality shot of a 4-8-0 camelback ken
Originally posted by catfordken - March 24 2013 : 9:03:16 PM
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Ken ; The Lackawanna mastodon is almost the twin to the CNJ K1. You can easily see it is a Brooks built loco. Slanted cylinders with the inside Joy valve gear. The standard cab, and tender. The tender is the same shape as on the real Casey Jones loco. Tho I think larger. Rivarossi made their model with this tender.
frank
Here aare the Brooks specks for the CNJ K1
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Posted - March 25 2013 : 11:27:47 AM
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| Ah yes, that picture. I have it somewhere in my vast collection of stuff and pictures from the internet. I do have another casey jones tender. I have quite a few projects i had forgotten about.
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Posted - March 28 2013 : 10:30:38 PM
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| I have just ordered my parts, boiler front and headlight. I might as well start making that other 4-8-0 into a Great Northern engine , I have a weakness for Great Northern. AND, it would be easier than the camelback.
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Posted - March 31 2013 : 9:54:30 PM
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PARTS! GLORIOUS PARTS! and i need more.....
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Posted - March 31 2013 : 11:08:33 PM
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Mike,
Nice work! I'd love to find a set of the Camelback parts to add to a 2-8-0 to make into a B&O E-19a! I got the complete loco, but the Camelback parts are evading me!
~John
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Posted - April 03 2013 : 02:30:08 AM
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| The motor isn't as good as I want it to be. I finally got the boiler mounted in place, weight added (and there's tons of space for more), and ready for details and painting. Anyone know of where I can get some can motors?
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Posted - April 15 2013 : 2:50:10 PM
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| Got motors coming in and more parts. I'm also looking around for more weight, the engine is too light, needs to be heavier. The engine was running smoother when I had my hand on it, so I need at least a half pound more of weight. With the smaller can motor inside the engine, I can stuff more weight.
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Posted - April 15 2013 : 2:51:19 PM
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| Annnnd. As for the other 4-8-0, I 'm thinking of butchering a Rivarossi Casey Jones boiler and making it into a GN 4-8-0. I got some parts gathered for it as well.
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Posted - April 17 2013 : 4:36:06 PM
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New Motor Installed
Other side
And now, where do i solder the other wire to? Directly to the frame i suppose but it isn't quite often I do this and the last time i did it I forgot which engine I did it to. 
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Posted - April 17 2013 : 9:52:39 PM
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You can't solder to zamac. Use an existing screw or drill and tap a hole in the frame for a 2-56 screw to fasten a lug to the frame.
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Posted - April 17 2013 : 11:21:20 PM
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| Cool, i should have this engine running by tomorrow morning! I just need more weight and details added.
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Posted - April 17 2013 : 11:49:45 PM
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Come to think of it, you could drill & tap the screw hole in the rear of the motor mount so it's inconspicuous. There would be no need to unscrew the lead from the frame when removing the motor. I think some of Yardbird Trains motors were set up that way.
It will be nice to see it complete.
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Posted - May 18 2013 : 01:34:30 AM
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I need at least one Cylinder set from a Mantua 2-6-0 or a 4-6-0......and someone posted a picture with 2 of them in it! GRRRRRR
Anyone have a steam chest from either one of these 2 Mantua steamers to part with ? I want to add slide valve to the front set of cylinders, to a Mantua 2-6-6-2, to make it a 0-6-6-0 that was a B&O prototype, known as "Old Maude".....and to date that's the only detail holding me back, from getting started on that model!
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Posted - May 18 2013 : 01:37:19 AM
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I'm glad I went back and read a little more closely! I have 6 or 7 Varney Casey Jones cylinders! I'd trade a set of them, for a set of Mantua 2-6-0 or 4-6-0 cylinders......PM me if interested!
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Posted - May 24 2013 : 2:06:24 PM
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| Unfortunately, I haven't been able to do any work on my locomotives due to my brother hogging up the entire stinkin table with his large scratch built shinto temple. It's nice, but frustrating since I have just about enough parts to finish off the 2-6-6-0 (got my angle mounted bell) and the 4-8-0.
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Posted - May 24 2013 : 7:04:13 PM
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quote:My dad is an Oldsmobile guy and we have a couple V8's in the works. A 455, a 425, and a 318. I might be wrong about the 425 though, but they are all Olds.
Originally posted by LGLrr845Â -Â March 22 2013Â :Â 3:38:03 PM
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I know it ain't Tyco, nor Olds, but it IS a REAL V-8.  
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Posted - May 24 2013 : 11:49:11 PM
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| Oh, Offenhauser! You gonna put it in a midget racer?
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Posted - May 24 2013 : 11:53:21 PM
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Now we're talking! Gotta love those flat heads! Is that a 8BA or a 59BA?
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Posted - May 25 2013 : 01:21:07 AM
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8BA. Merc crank, 255 base, bored 120 over, ported and relieved, stainless valves, 3-ring pistons, Offy heads and 4BBL inlet manifold. Mallory distributor.
That is going back into my 1949 Willys Wagon Street Rod when the quarters get finished.
Always a 2WD, now with Ford 8" and Mustang II front end.
This is what it used to look like. We have a T-Bird tilt column, not sure anymore what seats are in it or what we're going to use.
This is the inlet manifold. Been on this car for.........almost 30 years. 390CFM Holley.
This is my oldest...owned the 50 Tudor now over 43 years. Merc cranked flathead.
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Posted - June 01 2013 : 2:47:39 PM
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Amazing how trains, planes, and automobiles all come together somehow someway.
I got my weights in, all progress has come to a screeching halt due to a 1/12th scale shinto temple DX dangit! I'm not the one building it btw. My brother is.
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Posted - October 29 2013 : 7:21:02 PM
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| Very nice! Can't wait to see the finished product!
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