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Guys, lay your eyes upon these!
In pretty good shape for that age, in brass! ALL bolt construction, EXCEPTION, a few places as "press rivets" built into areas for assembly! 
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Posted - April 01 2012 : 10:31:10 AM
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VERY nice! Nice cars.
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Posted - April 01 2012 : 3:38:50 PM
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Jerry,
I tell ya, these aren't the oldest pieces in my collection, I have a 1926/27 Mantua bobber caboose in all brass kind of like these passenger cars but ALOT of the assembly on the bobber is WAY different! Its in pieces, BUT is complete, as I want to paint it......
Along with painting the bobber, I plan to paint these passenger cars too.
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Posted - April 02 2012 : 11:40:29 AM
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Those are absolutely amazing *_* Apparently my knowledge on Mantua history is lacking...I had no idea anything this old existed!
What livery are you planning on painting them in? Personally I like how the unpainted brass looks
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Posted - April 02 2012 : 6:03:27 PM
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quote:Those are absolutely amazing *_* Apparently my knowledge on Mantua history is lacking...I had no idea anything this old existed!
What livery are you planning on painting them in? Personally I like how the unpainted brass looks
Originally posted by DaCheez - April 02 2012 : 11:40:29 AM
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Well......thats an open can of worms LOL I was planning to make them B&O, HOWEVER whats hampering me, is I too like the brass look myself, and was going to gloss clear coat them, and have custom printed decals in the dark blue to go onto the brass. BUT, I'm not sure how well that will look once the sheen of the decal clear backing paper will go over the gloss coating. Thing is, I am not sure I will do this as I have other cars to go with them, BUT they aren't brass! IF they were brass, I'd go through with the brass look of the color of the car the brass is polished!
As for the age, I have had items from Mantua from 1926! The year Mantua debuted!
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Posted - April 02 2012 : 10:24:18 PM
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Personally I like my older stuff to be original. I don't have much painting/Kitbashing experience though, so that's probably for the best XD.
I'm still amazed by their age. The oldest thing I have are some aluminum streamliners from the mid 50's..that's only a 20 year difference though, right? :P
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Posted - April 02 2012 : 10:28:40 PM
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That is amazing. When they were made, there wasn't much HO on the market, and Model railroader wouldn't exist for a few years. They are true relics.
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Posted - April 02 2012 : 11:19:36 PM
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quote:Personally I like my older stuff to be original. I don't have much painting/Kitbashing experience though, so that's probably for the best XD.
I'm still amazed by their age. The oldest thing I have are some aluminum streamliners from the mid 50's..that's only a 20 year difference though, right? :P
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I too am at the age they are, and more so, the shape their in!
I too have some "Rail Chief" Streamline passenger cars, that are all Aluminum, with masonite floors! These were from the 50's as well! No trucks or couplers, and with the research I've done, state that the old Central Valley 3 axle Commonwealth passenger trucks were a good fit for these. I actually have these up for sale!
$20.00 EACH, or I'd sell all 3 for $50.00, plus shipping. I don't have trucks for them, BUT could come up with something to go under them!
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Posted - April 03 2012 : 07:03:34 AM
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A short history of Mantua
www.railstop.com/History/Mantua/MantuaHistory.asp
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 5:51:25 PM
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arrived at last,my 3 boxed mantua brass cars,all i need know is a mantua brass loco to pull them ken
going to buff em up and let em loose
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 6:19:57 PM
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OOOHH! HooK and Loops! I have some thats NOS.
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 6:25:38 PM
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i have loads of old packets of these couplers and used that i took of old mantua damaged items to use for the old stock i get with damaged ones,they are the best of the old breed of couplers including the British/euro ones,all i want now is a belle or a mogul to pull the cars ken
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 6:29:20 PM
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Don;t forget about Baker! Let them loose as in selling them too Ken?!
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 6:38:29 PM
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| Nice set Ken! Any idea what year those particular cars were made?
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 6:45:00 PM
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i believe this set belongs to the time period of mid 40s to mid 50s,my reasoning is that 2 have brass flooring and one has tin,but all are screwed together ken
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 7:13:11 PM
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quote:in my collection, I have a 1926/27 Mantua bobber caboose
Originally posted by EM-1Â -Â April 01 2012Â :Â 3:38:50 PM
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1926? Impossible I say!
HO was first started in 1935-6 here in the US and was a carry over from 00 which started in Europe & UK. They were first started by really Lionel & American flyer here in the uS. Mantua was only producing motors from the mid 20's through the mid 30's at that time. Their cars did not appear until the early 40's before the war and reall production did not come until after the war. Their first engines included the 2-8-0 all brass consolidation for about 1936-39, which I have two of. Anything from that period, is nearly all brass, like the Mogul 2-6-0 I have. Anything with any diecast most surely came following the war.
Please read their history which is pretty thorough:
http://www.railstop.com/History/Mantua/MantuaHistory.asp
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 7:31:08 PM
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quote:all i need know is a mantua brass loco to pull them ken
Originally posted by catfordken - April 12 2012 : 5:51:25 PM
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Hey Ken!
Nice set! Need a mantua Brass loco?
Although none of mine in the buff are currently built, they still look good! Feast your eyes on these that I have at my office:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9977705@N05/sets/72157623238233266/
/tyco/forum/uploaded/Mustangs_n_Trains/20120412192344_6289686256_7076473bd4_o.jpg
/tyco/forum/uploaded/Mustangs_n_Trains/20120412192404_6289166109_8213b1636f_o.jpg
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This is my parts stash:
/tyco/forum/uploaded/Mustangs_n_Trains/20120412192504_4839116109_7153286648_o.jpg
I have a few more early brass & Brass & diecast Mantua locos on display at home:
This one I sold a while back would have looked really nice with your cars:
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 8:47:20 PM
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quote: quote:in my collection, I have a 1926/27 Mantua bobber caboose
Originally posted by EM-1Â -Â April 01 2012Â :Â 3:38:50 PM
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1926? Impossible I say!
HO was first started in 1935-6 here in the US and was a carry over from 00 which started in Europe & UK. They were first started by really Lionel & American flyer here in the uS. Mantua was only producing motors from the mid 20's through the mid 30's at that time. Their cars did not appear until the early 40's before the war and reall production did not come until after the war. Their first engines included the 2-8-0 all brass consolidation for about 1936-39, which I have two of. Anything from that period, is nearly all brass, like the Mogul 2-6-0 I have. Anything with any diecast most surely came following the war.
Please read their history which is pretty thorough:
http://www.railstop.com/History/Mantua/MantuaHistory.asp
Originally posted by Mustangs_n_Trains - April 12 2012 : 7:13:11 PM
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Why yes, its not HO its actually OO but close enough as the wheels on this thing have SERIOUSLY WIDE treads so, it does run (OR I should say bounce) on HO scale track, as the centers of the axles aren't even close to being true round. BUT I bet the treads of these wheelsets are like 3/16th wide or better! The flanges are straight, and deep as well, probably .060 or more. VERY rough machining I might add and the whole thing is brass, with all things "bent" or bropke and such......Crude to say the least. (I'll have to get some pictures of it.
Actually it reminds me of the old O scale stuff that was crude as it doesn't run smoothly at all, not even on a straight section of handlaid OO track!
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 9:43:45 PM
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| The brass bobber caboose and Reading Consolidation can be found in the 1938 Mantua catalog. The brass passenger cars first appear in the 1941 Mantua catalog.
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 10:07:42 PM
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Sean, Lionel enter the HO market in 1957. They produce American OO (1/76 scale, 19mm) before WWII.
The A.C. Gilbert Company (American Flyer), Varney and Mantua were among the pioneers in American HO. They all started producing trains in the late 30's.
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 10:34:20 PM
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quote:Sean, Lionel enter the HO market in 1957. They produce American OO (1/76 scale, 19mm) before WWII.
The A.C. Gilbert Company (American Flyer), Varney and Mantua were among the pioneers in American HO. They all started producing trains in the late 30's.
Originally posted by waw47Â -Â April 12 2012Â :Â 10:07:42 PM
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You are correct! Thanks as it is good to hear. Although this stuff pre-dates me by almost 35 years, I love to know all about it that I can!
Sean
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Posted - April 12 2012 : 11:53:37 PM
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M_n_T Still want to find one of them Toonerville Trolley cars I do want to pain't mine like the O gauge one hehe
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Posted - April 13 2012 : 11:23:21 AM
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quote:M_n_T Still want to find one of them Toonerville Trolley cars I do want to pain't mine like the O gauge one hehe
Neat collection of steam too
Originally posted by microbusss - April 12 2012 : 11:53:37 PM
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Micro, You mean like this one?:
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