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 Posted - December 01 2011 : 10:03:31 AM
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Thats is it ken ! Pretty, isn't it! And there are those wheel disks I have to make.
frank
Here is my unfinished one.
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 10:24:58 AM
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I Second Ben's YUCK! on the crap from smokers on things. I've had rolling stock, wooden that came and the smell is disgusting! I've tossed a few of those. Something Ebay should require to be stated in a listing.
Last car I bought I used a little packet of strips from the Ministry of Labour. You peel it off and stick it to the dash or whatever and even if the car has been detailed and sprayed it will detect someone has been smoking in the car and i walk away. Several of the sellers lied. It's usually pretty easy to tell anyway.
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 10:38:23 AM
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frank,again you are doing a fine job,and yes the new haven is a beauty to behold.
gareth,i will agree with you and ben regards smoking,but to ask ebay to enforce such as you say would be impractical,how would that person now in most cases that its previous owner was not a smoker,even if he cleaned it,would that person be guilty of a miss statement,since it was the fashion in 30s to the 80s to smoke,i would think everything smells of smoke,to some degree,you only have to look at those lovely shades of browny cream on model trains that should be white,its amazing what i grew up through,and am still here,ken
not condoning smoking in anyway just stating a fact
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 11:07:47 AM
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well the loco is the only thing I has with smoke damage on it But it has been in basemet airing out  Smell isn't bad now nor ever was & even IF I get something from a smoker's house I usually air it out & stuff & NEVER throw it out 
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 11:34:51 AM
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Hey Guys:
I have an allergic response to a chemical released into the air when cigarettes are burned. Tobacco itself causes no reaction.... It's something they put in to make the nicotene more addictive because thay are legally constrained by how much nicotine can be ina cigarette now.
As to ebay, they simply make it policy that it has to be declared. If a customer recieves a package and it reeks of cigarettes, they could send it back even if the seller says no returns. Because of the Paypal payment policy PP would then automatically refund your money and put a note on the sellers auction postings that they had sold things from a smokers home.
Ken, glad you survived it I did to. A Narcissistic mother in my case despite it obviously making me and my brother ill. I was a kid then, I don't have to tolerate it now.
Ben, somethings airing out won't do it. Wooden Ambroid cars are an example, and again it not only reeks as I smell it but it's an allergy. Plastic also can retain a smell for a very long time. Btw, this is called 3rd hand smoke and according to the CDC and Johns Hopkins both say it is also cancer causing just like 1st & 2nd.
My two cents,
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 11:52:13 AM
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i will leave the smoking topic,as its one i have no problem with it,i handle it when it arises in my own way.
regards ebay i cannot agree with you gareth,because you answered why yourself,it would be open to abuse,ie not what i wanted,lets say it smells,what a perfect excuse for people to make returns,who would determine who is right.
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 11:58:47 AM
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Well you're right Ken but of course I'd then say we should ban every activity and interaction subject to abuse by some minority of people. Oh wait that would mean... see where I'm going.
Again I think some would abuse it. So are the sellers that run into the problem more entitled to the protection of ebay than someone who is stuck with something they can't use? I think from now on, depending on what I'm bidding on, I'll ask up front if it's coming from a smoking home. That should help my situation. I've seen several postings saying from a smoke or pet free home. I appreciate their candor!
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 12:06:34 PM
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| thats the answer gareth,ask the seller,if he or any previous owner was a smoker,but lets say he did not answer,its a 500 dollar train going for 50 dollars,as a buy it now,you have been after this loco for years,what do you do ken
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 12:08:57 PM
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Well in the scenario you describe it's likely we're talking Brass or cast metall, both of which can be soaked.
I have a couple of Ambroids that I've been fumigating for months, but you know what, they have to have the surfaces prepped/primed for paint so that should seal any lingering 'fragrance" don't you think?
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 12:11:17 PM
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gareth i think if we all use a bit of common sense,we can all solve the problem of smoke,hows about a posting of tips for the removal where possible of said offending smell ken
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 12:16:08 PM
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* This is not a place for that subject. I dont smoke ! I would not give up one second of my life spent with family and friends who are sick and I have lost to this delema. I only wish I could have had more time with them. I still face this problum alot.
* Dont open up old wounds.
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 12:18:14 PM
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| frank,i cede to you sir in my eyes ended
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 12:20:35 PM
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I don't agree Frank.
this relates to the hobby directly in that many of us buy using Ebay and it came up initially cause Ben came to know why one of his purchases was discoloured.
Still I think Ken and I have come to a kind of concord o this.
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 12:33:20 PM
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quote:Sean:
Got a pic of what she'd look like complete? The model and the Prototype. What btw, is the attraction having a model of a particular prototype, or just the model you've wanted?
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Gareth,
Here is the pic i have been saving for some time with the thoughts of maybe using a Varney streamlined Hudson to start with:
I also have saved all the photos from a brass version that went for sale on eBay a few years ago. For me the attraction is the New haven RR, the prototype and the fact that this locomotive can only be had in Brass...or possibly the new high-end plastic, which I will kindly back out of purchasing. I tend to think most of those become non-running (non-repairable) shelf queens after only a few years or more of use.
As for smoking. I am an ex-smoker and hate the smell myself. I deal with it now with the trains and if i can not clean and remove the smell, I post it in my listing. I can say, the disgust resulted in a reaction that I soon regretted. I stripped and cleaned an old cast brass engine that reeked of smoke smell. After i sold it, I was told it was a Mantua pre-war All Brass 4-6-2 Reading Pacific locomotive. This was before i ever knew anything about Mantua or the early locomotives. (~2005-2006). It was not until last year that I was able to successfully secure a replacement... at ~2x the price i sold my first one...
Original listing was for the while engine missing the cab and tender. It had everything else. Sold for ~$50 (the only photo I have remaining from the original sale is this one of the boiler that I emailed to someone):
This one was posted on eBay last year. I immediately emailed the seller an offer of $290 (+$10 s/h) to end it early and sell it to me. He said yes and I paid him that night and had it bout two days later:
The moral here... don't be so hasty to get rid of something because of the smell.
As for the smoke topic.. can we at east move it to another forum topic and sop discussing here in LOTW? Thanks..
Sean
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Posted - December 01 2011 : 12:38:10 PM
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Good info and a very good idea....
The Varney starter; you have a grinder, right!?
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Posted - December 03 2011 : 8:06:55 PM
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Monon, Monon, Monon... Keep them doggies Rollin'!
The Café Espresso, all bound for Monontown many miles away! Life-Like made this Proto 1000 F3AB Phase II set in the famous black and gold freight scheme of the Chicago, Indianapolis and Louisville Railway and a fine thing they did. Both powered, they run as good as they look even though they're factory seconds, shipped in the wrong box. Smokin'!
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Posted - December 03 2011 : 11:26:48 PM
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my contributions; Frateschi G-12 painted for National railways of Mexico, circa 1980s era
and to throw in one more, this is my conceptual "what if" paint scheme for the Tonopah and Tidwater Athearn Gp-38-2(the "modern one" hauls nuclear waste using the original line) the 38 is stationed out of Beatty hauling additional local freight from Beatty to the nuclear waste facility at Nellis testing site, as well as doing the local switching at Nellis NWS (nuclear waste site)
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just me Ray... and just because I have Tyco doesn't mean I am not a model railroader
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Posted - December 04 2011 : 12:37:19 AM
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Nice N de M engine Ray. Do Frateschi engines run well? I was eyeing the Frateschi V-8 electric.
-Thomas
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Posted - December 04 2011 : 1:36:11 PM
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the "frats" run very well, similar to an Athearn (the drive is the same iirc) only issue i really have had with my G-12 is it's actualy oo scale....but then it's a G-12 so many here in so cal don't take much notice to the size
just me Ray... and just because I have Tyco doesn't mean I am not a model railroader
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