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 Posted - October 24 2011 : 7:30:12 PM
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Is this a Lionel chassis that was also used under the Athearn Rectifier? It came under the Geep shell seen behind but it has Alco Type B-B trucks under it. Looks like the same chassis under the NH Rectifier on the right, in the current post about Rectifiers. Other pics of similar Lionel Geeps have the Blomberg truck like most EMDs used.
The chassis is marked Lionel but the shell isn't but the Rectifier below is.
Thanks in advance.
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Posted - October 24 2011 : 7:35:45 PM
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I may have partially answered my own question thanks tothe Ho Seeker site.
http://www.hoseeker.net/lionelhoinformation/lionelhocatalog1963pg1.jpg
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Posted - October 24 2011 : 9:20:27 PM
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This chassis looks the same including the trucks. Some versions of the GP used the Blomberg trucks.
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 12:27:53 AM
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| The answer is No. The chassis in the picture with the 0594 Santa Fe shell was introduced in 1965. The last year the New Haven & PRR Rectifiers were cataloged was 1960. The Lionel Virginian Rectifier uses the Athearn Hi-F drive.
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 05:54:43 AM
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Thanks waw47. Good to have a reply from you
Are you saying its a chassis with the same trucks but a different design? The '60 catalog shows a PRR Rectifier and a GP, next to each other, and they appear to have the same Alco type trucks and chassis.
Are the Rectifiers powered by one truck too?
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 07:18:59 AM
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Lionel used the Athearn High F Drive in 1958. In 1959 they introduced their own chassis, which was 8 wheel drive using Neoprene O rings. The 1960 chassis is similar to the 1959, Lionel added more weight and larger drive shafts. The chassis was modified in 1963 again. This time it was 4 wheel drive, power to only one truck. In 1965 they changed the chassis again, different drive train, still 4 wheel drive. The final chassis was a direct drive unit issued in 1966. It had the motor mounted directly over the rear truck.
The New Haven & PRR Rectifiers were issused with the 1960 chassis. The 0594 Santa Fe GP-9 used the 1965 chassis. All of the Lionel GPs and Rectifiers shells will fit any of the chassis.
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 09:31:38 AM
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Alco-Fan ; If you want to run them, Just put a Athearn GP9 drive under it. They run a lot better and mount the same way. You can get matching side frames for the Athearn drive and get the same look. I did this with my rectifiers. It makes them look and run a lot better.
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 3:37:05 PM
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Toptrain,
I'd really like to keep this the way it is but that's a good option. It does need the brakeman's side front step repaired.
I bought a B&O Athearn GP 7/9 shell at a show and found it doesn't quite fit.
The '61 Lionel Catalog shows a GP NYC with BBs #0596, and a NP GP # 0579 also with BBs and two PRR rectifiers with BBs and Blombergs # 0581 in th '60 catalog.
I think the Rectifier photo looks like the same trucks and frame as the GP but is it the same mechanism? My SF GP is shown in the '63 catalog link above, with the B-B trucks.
So this is the wrong chassis for the SF GP?
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 4:35:44 PM
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I have 2 Lionel GP7s in NYC I run with Athearn drives.
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 5:01:56 PM
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Alco Fan, The Santa Fe GP-9 was cataloged from 1963 to 1965. You have the 1965 version.
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 5:43:49 PM
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Thanks waw47,
Are the cabs different, that is the version I have has a short length and a higher roof arch than some of the earlier GPs at least in the photos or illustrations?
Also would it have come with handrails in the box or without?
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 6:26:54 PM
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The 0580 Wabash GP-9 & the 0585 Milwaukee Road GP-9 are 100% Athearn. Hi F drives, Athearn Shells, made in 1958. The only difference is a little Lionel L logo stamped on them.
Lionel only produced one GP shell, the cabs were all the same size.
0592 SF GP-9 1966
0593 NP GP-9 1963
0594 SF GP-9 63 to 65
0596 NYC GP-9 1959
0597 NP GP-9 60 to 63
0598 NYC GP-7 61 to 62 less roof mounted dynamic brake housing
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 9:30:10 PM
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There is a difference between the Lionel and Athearn Geep shells. Look at this illustration and you should see what I'm getting at. The The GP in my pic has a cab shorter in length and rounder on top than Athearn GP and the accompaning catalog pic.
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 10:01:29 PM
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The Athearn cab comes off, the lionel doesn't.
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 10:10:49 PM
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Prephaps my previous post could have been more clear. That first sentence was about the difference between the Athearn and Lionel versions of the Milwaukee Road and Wabash GP-9s, not the shells.
The Athearn and Lionel shell are different .
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 10:11:15 PM
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Toptrain,
Thanks for the pics, those are nice NYCs. You can see that the cab roof is higher and the length is shorter.
Can you tell me how to get the wheels out to replace the traction tires on the Lionel?
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Posted - October 25 2011 : 10:14:13 PM
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I never knew there was so much Lionel HO. I've been overlooking it a shows for years.
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Posted - October 26 2011 : 06:17:11 AM
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quote:The New Haven & PRR Rectifiers were issused with the 1960 chassis.
originaly posted by waw47 |
The NH Rectifier picture that I posted here is a switched out mechanism?
Any thoughts on the hand rails on the GP, with or with out?
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Posted - October 26 2011 : 09:41:14 AM
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just so I know Is there a Lionel name on the bottom of locos or what do I look for? 
That SF loco looks abit odd with big bulbs inside 
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Posted - October 26 2011 : 7:45:37 PM
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Busss,
The bulbs remind me of automotive bulbs for headlights.
It is marked Lionel and New York City USA I think. It's probably the first one I've ever held.
Once I soldered the wire to the power truck it runs strong but needs traction tires badly.
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Posted - October 31 2011 : 9:44:42 PM
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Answering my own question here I did manage to pop out the axles and replace the traction tiire with the Calumet brand, those like the clear Goodies scrunchie. It took quite a bit of prodding with a small screw driver and removing the coupler mount on the front of the power truck, I was suprised I didn't ruin the trucks. It did run better but man is it noisey even when compared to the Athearns of 15-20 years ago.
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Posted - November 01 2011 : 07:51:46 AM
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Nice New Have, They were EX Virginian!
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