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 Posted - February 23 2011 : 06:19:28 AM
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I'm not sure if this is the same rotary snowplow that fits the little Lionel Hustler engine, but it's on a much bigger Athearn chassis. Currently no bids at $10. I just bought another one like this last night for $8.50, 1st bidder never rebid. Powered by rubber bands on 2 axles underneath. Don't think I've seen these before, someone said these were rather rare. In case anyone is interested, ends TONIGHT , Feb 23rd, 9 PM EST roughly.
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Posted - February 23 2011 : 07:15:12 AM
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I like! ... but the wrong type for my layout 
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 Posted - February 23 2011 : 10:16:47 AM
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Hi AMC_Gremlin_GT,
I have this one marked for the UP. The body is still black.
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Posted - February 23 2011 : 2:20:47 PM
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quote:Hi AMC_Gremlin_GT,
I have this one marked for the UP. The body is still black.
Mike
Originally posted by mytyco - February 23 2011 : 10:16:47 AM
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That's the one I bought last night, the UP version. Supposedly in tip-top shape, never used, been displayed/stored for 15 years. Looked pristine in the picture.
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Posted - February 23 2011 : 6:30:09 PM
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IMO active auctions shouldn't be advertised here. People that are watching or actively bidding on these don't like the extra competition or especially those auctions that are mislisted being "exposed". There was a big bruhaha here years ago and nobody really wants that again. It played out real ugly and offensive.
Almost all of the ebay conversation, until lately, has been about utterly ridiculous auctions that anybody here would not even consider or auctions that have already ended. Lately that has changed.
I for one feel I've gotton stepped on a few times lately. In the past couple of weeks a few items that I've been watching on eBay have been advertised here. I've also been jumped over in the trading post. That forum needs some rules and I'll post them later, very simple rules. Everybody involved should appreciate there will structure to that, no matter whether you're the "seller" or the "buyer".
Again, there are no hard feelings. If I don't address it then I can blame nobody but myself.
Party on...
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Posted - February 23 2011 : 6:55:30 PM
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Hi Todd,
I could not agree more. This is a great forum and for guys like me just getting into the model its been a blessing.I agree we all need to follow the rules that is what will keep this going strong.
Thank You.
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Posted - February 23 2011 : 7:36:50 PM
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quote:| IMO active auctions shouldn't be advertised here. People that are watching or actively bidding on these don't like the extra competition or especially those auctions that are mislisted being "exposed". There was a big bruhaha here years ago and nobody really wants that again. It played out real ugly and offensive. |
Ebay is watched by many millions of people already.... would a few hundred more from here REALLY matter? Ebay auctions are public domain, so feelings of "owning" an auction seem a bit overly possessive...of course, a mis-listing IS a ripe opportunity for a buyer, I admit, and I've benefited from that lately myself.  Would I be unhappy to see one I'm watching get posted here? Eh, maybe. But not enough to get "steamed up" about, probably. But if the consensus is to NOT post active auction content due to possible "hurt feelings", then I could probably go along with that. I wasn't here when that bru-ha-ha happened, so don't know the ramifications with current membership. If I hurt anyone with my posting the snowplow, then I apologize. Since a previous Hustler thread had included the rotary snowplow option, and it was mentioned that people were interested in acquiring one, I posted the 2nd auction in case anyone was interested. I can see people abusing Ebay postings, most of us can search for our own stuff, so we don't need constant postings from others, but the occasional post I wouldn't see the harm in. There's always the exception, of course. -Jerry-
quote:I for one feel I've gotton stepped on a few times lately. ... I've also been jumped over in the trading post. That forum needs some rules and I'll post them later, very simple rules.
Originally posted by New_York_Central - February 23 2011 : 6:30:09 PM
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One issue with trading here is that some people frequent the board often, while others may not log in again until 4-5 days later. That can be a problem for someone wanting to unload something quickly, and not waiting for a response from someone ? who posted once, but then didn't respond in the post again until some time later. Some simple rules would probably be a good idea here, I agree. Perhaps there should be a direct PM within a certain time frame to make sure that interested parties all get a chance. Or the trader specifies a time limit to respond, ie First come, first get, and use PMs to determine order of receipt. Anyway, rules are good, bring'em on, and we'll abide by those.
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Posted - February 23 2011 : 10:49:20 PM
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First, the following is all in good demeanor and is not directed at AMC. It is somewhat prompted by him through this topic and in the end I believe it's a good thing. AMC, I value you here as others do. You're a great contributor. I do think you misunderstood and I miscommunicated my true intent. To be clear, I feel no ownership of eBay auctions, I was not "steamed up" nor do I have "hurt feelings". My use of "stepped on" in a prior post was a poor choice of words. Things didn't work out like they should have in that case. It was a little thing, but should guidelines be put in place? I think so.
I can't and really don't get upset with the little things anymore. I've been through a lot in life and this is just the little stuff, learned that the hard way. Most of what I follow up with here isn't directed at anyone but for everyone. Now is a good time to state to everyone the basic framework with which these forums operate. It really is very basic, there are not many rules here. To be clear, this is prompted by but not directed at AMC, it's for everyone.
Now to everyone, a little bit about my "job" here. From past experience it seems I can't win. If I stand on the sidelines I have been blasted for being hands off or not living within these walls. If I stay relaxed, attentive and state a case that should have been stated repeatedly (my mistake) I find myself in a defensive position. (Insert Rodney Dangerfield quote here).
Some things aren't working like they should here or better said, a couple of improvements can be made. I'm simply doing a pre-emptive strike. You have to believe me on that one. If people keep posting live auctions I gaurantee the response from others would have come based on past experience. Most of those members are still vey active and I see problems on the horizon. Also, please keep in mind that for Tyco and Mantua items especially this place here is without a doubt the communications hub of that world. So throwing something rare in that realm out here would attract a flock to that auction and a world of nothing good here. It's happened before.
Another thing to keep in mind. I keep detailed statistics on readership and there are still a ton of people that garner knowledge from these forums but never bother to join. While we think we're helping each other out by sharing, are we?
There are no rules on PM'ing others you know are interested in something. That is a private conversation and in my world something that should never be regulated. I know it's done all the time, I've participated in that on both ends.
Although this forum is in the public domain it is privately owned and run and provided without charge. A few rules should be no biggie and someone's gotta do it. I'm a libertarian at heart but not an anarchist.
I'm always open to suggestions. I have only touched on a few aspects of eBay related posts. A lot of thought and conversation happened in the past. Unfortunately that whole thread had to be deleted but there was some great insight and commentary in it. Sadly much of it was misunderstandings and should never have happened in the first place, yet friendships were destroyed and participation by some has vanished. This is something I do not want to see repeated.
Please think of suggestions and I'll start a different topic for open discussion of this. Believe me there are many facets of this and I'll outline quite a few of them, I've been through this before. Unforunately this isn't a black or white issue but requires a black or white solution in many areas. I don't have time to do this tonight, will do this weekend I hope.
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Posted - February 24 2011 : 03:25:46 AM
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| Well said Todd and i agree. I too remember vividly about the fiasco that occured over ebay several years back and for you new members - as Todd said - It was very ugly -a shock and un-expected and some members left over it. This is still a great forum with great members. I a m for a few simple guidelines being made in trading post also as i have seen some listings in last year handled poorly -and i don't believe they were intentional.
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Posted - February 24 2011 : 06:34:21 AM
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Well spoke, NYC, I concede I know nothing about all the past ugliness, and in the spirit of explanation I take no offense, and hope none was given by me. That said, I'm assuming that auctions that are 1) over or 2) over the top/rare/out-O-sight pricing are still fair game to post? I should have probably used my ended auction instead of the active one....but then, is the rule then that I can't even MENTION an active auction for an item like it, or just can't post a direct link to it? Now it's hair-splittin' time, if I said there's one currently on Ebay, is that a violation of the code, or just posting direct links? That i'd like clarified. Because I'm sure some would argue that it would stimulate a search for said item, if I even mention it (which is still my vague intent, so if THAT's the line, then I guess all active auctions are off-limits, unless someone directly PMs me to find out and I tell them privately, and then if THAT got posted later is THAT a violation?). So how close to the waterline are we drawing the line in the sand on auctions? Direct links only, including casual mentions, or even PM conversations? It's a slippery, tender slope <sic> we're going down here, but personally I want the clarification so I won't decide to split hairs later and think Well, it shouldn't matter. Spell it out, if you can. THis is gonna be a hard one! Sorry about that....
Jerry
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Posted - February 24 2011 : 07:51:38 AM
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my understanding is no mention of live auctions full stop as regards the listings,i would think pms between members is something between members,and nothing to do with todds rulings,the exception which i think todd may concede to is the high price joke auctions but we will have to wait and see,in mean time if you are unsure its best not to list anything thats live if at all ken
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Posted - February 24 2011 : 08:21:54 AM
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"Hi, my name is Tony, and I'm a Tycoholic..."
Sorry, couldn't resist. But in all seriousness I will step forward and admit to knowing full too well of all the bad situations Todd referrs to. I was involved in some of them (as both plaintiff and defendant), others I tried to defuse as a 3rd party /mod, and others (more recently) I tried to divert only to end up with crap on my hands or dropped on my doorstep, bah. I do feel fortunate that most of the people who were involved in the past were reasonable and I still later talk(ed) to. I think everyone is reasonable at heart, but ebay is too emotional at times. They say the only thing thicker than blood is money, and that applies to the virtual world and friendships as well. Unfortunately.
Having learned from those past experiences, I fully support the clarification and establishment of a firm ebay policy. Todd/NYC has my opinion on the matter. To the rest here, publicly, I will acknowledge during my last hurrah as a mod (which was during one of Todd's extended absences) I tried to police this; even recently as a mere plebian I tried to defuse some mean-spirited commenting the gawking thread. Perhaps I overstepped my bounds, but - having been there done that, learned from it, still have the scars - I did not want a repeat fallout event. Guess I was naive to think it wouldn't be dropped on me instead, but I'm not taking bait.
That said, I think the only value ebay has here, and thus the only allowance that should be made, is as a reference for values and photos - and only when cited as such. As in, "this listing has a pic of the item we're already discussing" or "what we're already discussing... hey know what, that sold for X a few weeks ago". And of course, the "here's something new / weird / cool / rare from my collection, [since I know the fair question is coming I'll go ahead and say that] I happened to find it on ebay (full stop)." All should be stated objectively - no commentary or opinion.
There are some VERY VERY WELL CONNECTED powersellers who lurk here - people with treasures otherwise to share and discuss - and bashing them and newbies alike does nobody any good. As well are there lurkers who refuse to share in kind and only reap for their benefit. Setting prices and desires works against us. Neither does competing over the latest NP Shark or rare promo/paint variant or Grocery Reefer. Or debating listing and shipping and description philosophies. Or flushing out someone who won an auction and divulging details before they're ready to discuss it.
A former and well-respected member had some of these same opinions and tried to warn us before he left in disagreement - I have to say he was right.
A lot of it is simple human nature to get caught up in the "deal", and ebay does a good job playing up the pschology of "winning" versus "losing" - in no other economy are you made to feel like a "winner" for throwing your money away and running up a price via bidding. So I don't think malicious intent is always the rule - much of it is truly misunderstandings and high emotions. Yet it would be best off nipped in the bud before it can fester here.
There is a place to discuss ebay listings: it's called ebay. Or PM's.
As Todd alluded to, I will back up: almost every thing bad that has ever happened on this forum involved ebay in one way or another, and no good ever came of any of it. People who found themselves victims in one arena were/are all to quick to throw stones in the other, so you can't define "fair", only black and white. Remove that facet, and it's all good and this is maybe the ONLY train forum of its kind to never have the silly bickering that plagues so many others (2guyz is good too). We have the Trading Post for public deals amongst ourselves, and PMs for under-the-table shenanigans. I think that should suffice. The occasional yet pertinent and relevant "reference" post is OK. The price gawking and OMG DIBS and dead-thread resurrections for listing spam and that sort of thing is noisy at best, and poisonous at worst. You can find "joke" listings all day long, every day... If you can't discuss anything other than ebay, well... this isn't the ebay forum, it's a train enjoyment forum... you're probably in the wrong place.
Just my $.03. I am not purely innocent in all of this, but have learned enough from it quickly enough to move on and try to keep that trapdoor locked. I hope others can appreciate it's not a "loudmouth a-hole GIC overstepping his place" thing, it's a "needs to be discussed for everyone's ultimate benefit" thing.
Of course this is ultimately Todd's Place, and my way doesn't have to be it. But I look forward to the discussion and hope we can agree on something, officially bury old nonsense for good, and keep new nonsense from ever having the chance to fester.
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May I suggest when the rules are drafted - hopefully simple - that there be a "Forum FAQ" subforum, highlighted and made required reading for new accounts and a refresher for existing? The ebay policy, how-to-post-photos, where to get traction tires, how to fix PT drives, etc. posts can also be linked there. Making those all sticky clogs the recent/active topics view.
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Posted - February 24 2011 : 12:17:44 PM
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Interseting that this topic has come up after my long absence. It was just starting to snowball when last I visited here regularly. It was still in the discussion phase, so I missed out on the "ugliness". I assume the absence of some familiar names from when I was active is a testament to what went down.
As the membership grows and changes its good that we are reminded of what path we want to stay away from.
I felt there was a "consensus" that eBay postings on the forum did more harm than good. While I don't think there will ever be a "unanimous" agrement to every rule/protocol that may be implemented, it is important that everyone buy into the fact that this forum success is based on free discussion, and exchange of ideas, sharing our accomplishments and projects with people that will appreciate it.
I built relationships with some folks on the forum, and they came to know what I was interested in. I'd get an email or PM if they spotetd something lurking in an auction that interested me. Heck, my wall display had many gaps filled in by friends on the forum giving me a headsup .
Everyone I have ever talked to on the forum seems very nice and willing to help you find something. Let eBay be a free market un-influenced by our chatter. Build relationships with the membership and use them as a resource if you need to.
There's my $.02. Sounds like a good opening bid amount
Scott
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Posted - February 24 2011 : 7:16:58 PM
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| Not RARE still made and it is the same that goes on the Lionel unit but won't spin without the Lionel parts
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Posted - February 24 2011 : 11:25:21 PM
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| Hi guys. Just the other day, I decided to stop posting here. I missed it, so I came back to lurk tonight. I know, my mood swing is laughable, but anyway... I'm glad to see this discussion. The only thing I can add is that in my experience as a teacher, the key to avoiding problems is to set rules early, and enforce them fairly. "Fairly" is a word that's flexible in my profession, but here it can be rather firm. If we need a no ebay listing policy, then so be it. Whatever the rule is, let's set it and post it so we can all be clear on what's expected.
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Posted - February 25 2011 : 07:15:01 AM
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| hi burlington77,glad to see you back,ken
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Posted - February 26 2011 : 9:39:56 PM
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| Most non-train forums I visit have a policy of No Auction listings. A couple do not allow the seller to post his own listing. Some post a link letting other members know of a hard to find item. If it something you really want- keep it to yourself until the auvtion closes.
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