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 Posted - November 15 2010 : 07:29:51 AM
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Here's a SAnta Fe F7 ? , I searched thru HOSeeker's Literature for hours on Sunday, and I could not find another chassis exactly like this one. Never seen one with 4 removable steel weights. Has RSO on the bottom, Izola with Y. I know this is some known manufacturer because of Izola name, but I can't find this EXACT engine anywhere I've looked. Also says Atest Z-74174 , made in Yugoslavia. Has dual powered trucks , no flywheels. Missing the front axles. 
Thanks for any help.
EDIT - I noticed on this shell,that the front coupler is not enclosed. Most every manufacturer of the F3/F7 shell I've seen so far has the front coupler enclosed, and no this one is NOT cut open. It's molded and painted as it is, no mods to it.
Jerry
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Posted - November 15 2010 : 07:40:46 AM
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hi i am plumping for lifelike f9a made by mehano for them ken
http://tycotrain.tripod.com/lifelikemodeltrainscollectorsresource/id39.html
or you could have the original at&t chassis and body
http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/atttrainsresource/id111.html
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Posted - November 15 2010 : 09:22:23 AM
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Mehano straight-up, I've had a couple of these. The chassis is similar to some used in the FM C-Liners they made for Model Power. The shell is a Mehano F9 as well. It's not Life-Like, as there are no chassis mounting holes in the carbody, nor is there a headlight in the nose door.
I'm not sure this is an ex-ATT shell. If it is, it's been significantly reworked because it looks pretty accurate, whereas the ATT shell is horribly stupid looking with a terribly blunt nose. It's hard to describe, but you know it when you see it. Imagine the headlight being almost immediately beneath the windshield. Yeah, it's that stupid. How they ever thought it was a saleable model is a mystery.
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Posted - November 15 2010 : 09:50:53 AM
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i am still plumping for at&t/lifelike as everything i see points that way,the body mounts and body,they again were made by mehano,and the marking below cab window says f9 as does the at&t,any chance we can see the roof,i agree with the at&t f-t version its just plain ugly,and that chassis was used by tyco minus the weights,but i hear everything you say oh wise one and bow to your superior knowledge in these matters (spiderj76) and to be honest i am confused now,ken
see lifelike f-9 no light on nose door
http://tycotrain.tripod.com/lifelikemodeltrainscollectorsresource/id39.html
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Posted - November 15 2010 : 12:31:39 PM
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Ken is right; Tony, you're thinking of the AT&T FT, which had the same drive. 
http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/atttrainsresource/id106.html
This was originally the AT&T F9A which did have the enclosed pilot. I think all of the AT&T versions had the earlier 5 pole vertical motors, but I have a later offering with a vertical 3 pole, both of which were shared by the AHM C-Liner and BL2. Obviously the F9A and FT tooling both survived AT&T to be marketed by other companies like Model Power with various drives through the years.
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Posted - November 15 2010 : 12:36:21 PM
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Superior knowledge? Pfft. I'm just an idiot who occasionally manages to sound half-intelligent.
Anyway Ken, you may be right... I admit I haven't looked at Tony's sites too often since they first go live and I had NO IDEA that Life-Like ever sold that unit. I was referring to their F7 which is similar at a glance but DOES have a nose door headlight.
I actually used to have that same Mehano Santa Fe F9. It may have even said Tempo on the bottom, I am unsure. I swapped chassis with a C-Liner I had. I've since sold both it junk lots over the past few months.
The ATT F9 is weird. I've seen some that almost look "passable" but others that are just horribly deformed looking. The ones on Tony's LifeLike site don't look that bad.
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Posted - November 15 2010 : 12:54:11 PM
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I found mine at a train show in a box with other locos on top of it. It had badly rusted axle covers so I bought it for a couple $ as a parts donor, but runs well now that it's been cleaned up. I was amazed that the pilot was intact, becuase it's usually the first thing to break on these things, yet it survived the jumble of the seller's junk box. The tooling is a lot better than the FT, but there is something wrong with the shape of the windshields.
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Posted - November 15 2010 : 12:54:23 PM
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hi tony it was your excellent article elsewhere on tyco f-9s that got me thinking ken
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Posted - November 15 2010 : 7:25:38 PM
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quote:i am still plumping for at&t/lifelike as everything i see points that way,the body mounts and body,they again were made by mehano,and the marking below cab window says f9 as does the at&t,any chance we can see the roof,
Originally posted by catfordken - November 15 2010 : 09:50:53 AM
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Here's the roof on mine :
I can see why I didn't find any reference to this on HOSeeker's site - there is no listing for Mehano or ATT. How many other makes are missing? Or are they under another heading? I tried clicking and search as many as there were tabs to click, but I never found any Mehano or ATT references directly that I recall. Interesting, thanks for all the chatter on this one. Man, that ATT blunt-nose is U-G-L-Y. Whew! And people think BL-2's are butt-ugly....
Jerry
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 Posted - November 15 2010 : 9:53:41 PM
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Hi All,
I don't know if this will help or not, but I have a F9 like this one with some slite differences in the paint. Mine is #281 and it has a yellow stripe down the nose. The big difference is in the chassis. Mine has a single motor for rear wheel drive only. Mine only says made in Yugoslavia on the chassis. Maybe the motor will tell someone what it is.
Hope this helps.
Mike
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Posted - November 16 2010 : 8:53:55 PM
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| That looks like every AHM loco I own. If I understand things correctly, a lot of the Yugoslavian stuff was sold under a variety of manufacturer's names.
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Posted - November 17 2010 : 7:37:27 PM
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| I have a series of locomotives that are all simular to that but rear wheel drive only. They are made by Mehano, Tempo and AMH. All three have different manufacturer markings but are identical parts wise.
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Posted - February 11 2011 : 03:09:00 AM
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The Last pic is the identical Setup to my CNW unit. i been trying to ID.
I do remember ran mine last ran - it ran like hell, it performed like the power was not getting to the unit (lights would flicker and the unit itself would surge down the track) how does your perform?
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Posted - February 11 2011 : 06:17:05 AM
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quote:The Last pic is the identical Setup to my CNW unit. i been trying to ID.
I do remember ran mine last ran - it ran like hell, it performed like the power was not getting to the unit (lights would flicker and the unit itself would surge down the track) how does your perform?
Originally posted by Sundowner - February 11 2011 : 03:09:00 AM
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These units are usually good runners, so most of the problems with them are dirty pick-up points or bent contacts, dirty or worn brushes, etc. Once they're tuned properly, this type of motor usually has been a decent , reliable type. Check the wheel contacts, the contacts can get bent up over the years, clean all contact connections, look at the brushes and clean the copper on the armature where they contact, usually has gotten oils and gunk on them over the years, Q-tip and alcohol works well. These are solid motors, they usually just need some maintenance to run good. And again, the spring tension on the brushes can be too much, a small tiewrap to adjust the tension helps quite a bit on some motors.
Jerry
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Posted - February 11 2011 : 09:36:48 AM
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I can see something really humorous here.
I had a Santa Fe F-9 from tyco, along with the Chattanooga GP unit
Both of them died relatively quickly (late 70's models)
But this old CWN F9 would still plug along althouhg getting her to plug along took some work.
Funny. the 30 year (now 40 year old) loco held its weight over its newer tyco counterparts.
Im not trying to bash Tyco in anyway here either, but 5 year track life vs 40 is something to chuckle at.
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Posted - February 11 2011 : 09:53:12 AM
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quote:
Im not trying to bash Tyco in anyway here either, but 5 year track life vs 40 is something to chuckle at.
Originally posted by Sundowner - February 11 2011 : 09:36:48 AM
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Sometimes the cruder overbuilt early motors will FAR outlast a more sophisticated and engineered but fragile motor. The Tyco engines earned their poor reputation by being built to operational limits, which often caused breakdowns. Something that is overbuilt will usually outlast the rest of the toy. Too bad most manufacturers don't understand that.
Jerry
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Posted - February 11 2011 : 10:50:09 AM
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quote:| Sometimes the cruder overbuilt early motors will FAR outlast a more sophisticated and engineered but fragile motor. The Tyco engines earned their poor reputation by being built to operational limits, which often caused breakdowns. Something that is overbuilt will usually outlast the rest of the toy. Too bad most manufacturers don't understand that. |
It is the same way in the Motorcycle world. I have three Suzuki Katana's (a 98 750cc, a 96 600cc, and an 05 600cc) The motors are de tuned oil boilers based off the early GSX-R motors. Where the GSX-R kept evolving every two- three years. the Katana stayed relativity the same (with a Body Overhaul in 98) but for the most part has kept the same basic power plant from 1988- 2006 (model end) you cant kill these motors- if you do kill one you are one abusive kid or you got a bad motor. there is a guy who just rolled his odo at 100k on his Katana a couple years ago. The same holds true in everything. but alas, Suzuki bowed the bikes out of production due to laws in Europe concerning carbs and cc displacement- which killed a good chunk of the bikes market.
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