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 Posted - June 30 2010 : 12:16:02 AM
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I'm looking for some input on modeling water. What have you guys used? I'm going for a murky brown or dark blue/green look (bottom of river not visible). Suggestions?
Thanks!
cheez
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 06:30:27 AM
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hi dacheez,i used liquid resin in past,firstly paint the bed the color you want,when your happy,add the resin,when it starts to set,i used a hair dryer on low power at about 2ft getting closer till desired effect was achieved,but you could always do it the easy way with sheets of water, available off ebay ken
390202308014
or have a look at these links they are quite good quite good
http://modelrailroading.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/how-to-make-a-scale-river-lake-harbor-or-just-about-any-other-body-of-water/
http://modelrailroading.wordpress.com/2009/01/31/open-the-floodgates-pouring-the-water-for-your-model-scenes/
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 11:12:28 AM
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| I hate 'em all, so I just paint a flat surface, then put many coats of Gloss Medium over it...it still photographs well enough.
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 11:52:29 AM
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guess its a matter of what floats yer boat, ken
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 2:42:49 PM
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quote:guess its a matter of what floats yer boat, ken
Originally posted by catfordken - June 30 2010 : 11:52:29 AM
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Yeah, Ken...I've tried them all over the years, none of them really satisfies me and I really enjoy waterfront modeling. I remember John Allen used the real thing 'til he found the humidity played havoc with the track.
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 3:01:01 PM
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I go down to the coast and get jugs of water for my layouts. This water has that all natural appearance with debris, algae, and oil in it... It soo realistic!
Walt
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 5:46:12 PM
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Geez Walt...that can't smell too good
quote:| hi dacheez,i used liquid resin in past,firstly paint the bed the color you want,when your happy,add the resin,when it starts to set,i used a hair dryer on low power at about 2ft getting closer till desired effect was achieved,but you could always do it the easy way with sheets of water, available off ebay ken |
Hey Ken. I did some googling, and liquid resin seems to be the best fit for what I want, seeing as it can be died. Two questions:
How toxic was the resin you used?
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Will the resin eat away at surfaces? I'm using foam insulation board...it's water proof but?...
Thanks for the links. I also found this one on resin which seems pretty useful:
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/tnt1/001-100/TNT067_making-water_Geraths/tnt067.htm
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 6:06:46 PM
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when i used it i did not have all the info we have today,but i always did my modeling in a well ventilated room,ie windows open with a through draft,magic water is the best,as you can do deep water in one hit,does not go yellow with age plus more,but if you are patient and do small (1/16th of an inch layers at a time detailing the last layer ie ripples,acrylic glazing liquid is great and very cheap ken
link for magic water worth a look
290445523229
preformed lakes and ponds by same maker
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 6:39:18 PM
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Hmmm. Magic water looks like useful stuff, but it's a little on the pricey side. The only problem with the acrylic glazing is the fact that it can't be died. Maybe if I put a layer of acrylic glazing down (for depth) and then used a thin layer of tinted magic water. My other option would be pouring the resin outdoors and then bringing it inside. I guess I'll have to do some experimenting
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 6:58:47 PM
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I just took a look on the Michaels (craft store) website. They have a glazing which says it can be mixed with other colours. Is this like the acrylic glazing liquid?
http://www.michaels.com/art/online/displayProductPage?productNum=fa0301
"Creates brilliant glazes when mixed with transparent color. Excellent brushing and self-leveling qualities. Dries quickly for rapid layering. Tends not to show brush stroke. Can also increase transparency in translucent and opaque colors"
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 7:16:26 PM
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| its the same name ie acrylic glazing,you could always email him ken
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Posted - June 30 2010 : 10:10:35 PM
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how about LAVA instead of water? 
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Posted - July 01 2010 : 12:22:50 AM
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OH NO! Don't give me any ideas Lava might be a little easier than water, but I don't think it will fit what I'm working on ATM...some day though
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Posted - May 01 2011 : 8:34:43 PM
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I know a cheap trick. Take some ol' tin foil ball her up, but, not too tight. Then, shiny side down, glue it down to your surface once its flattened out. Finnally, give it a good shot of whatever kinda water your modeling!
" Heck with counting 'em rivets, TRAINS ARE FOR FUN! Not called the Mad Scientist for nothing either!"
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Posted - August 01 2012 : 9:32:25 PM
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first laid down a colors of ultramarine blue and graduating to black on the rivers. top coat with numerous coats of varnish after laying down boulders, trees.
For my lake made a shallow basin in the foam . Same colors and then a sheet of 1/4 plexiglass.. On top of the plexiglass i made waves and ripples with mod Podge.
Really screwed up as i could have put logs, rocks, sunken treasure , weeds under the plexiglass.
Made waterfalls out of strings of silicone extruded onto a plastic sheet. Let them cure and peel off. white wash and hang for the falls
I think it looks pretty realistic
got lots of my ideas from Dave Frary Model Railroad scenery best book i have found on the subject
Any one interested in pics will do my best to capture the realism
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Posted - August 02 2012 : 12:55:29 PM
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May wanna try magic water or Woodland Scenics luquified easy-water type stuff.
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Posted - August 02 2012 : 1:13:32 PM
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Here is a nice overview shot of a water scene done right at the layout I visited this past weekend:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9977705@N05/7681208762/in/set-72157630831030114
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Posted - August 03 2012 : 12:39:40 AM
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| I was kidding Dacheez But I do want a "active" volcano on my layout
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Posted - August 03 2012 : 3:33:43 PM
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active volcano
some where in my foggy memory i remember my 8th grade class room making one. we were studying Hawaii .
made out of Plaster opf Paris .. Put some kind of chemical powder in the center and lit it. made all kinds of sparks and smoke.
Of course today would never be allowed
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Posted - September 29 2012 : 12:39:15 AM
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You can make a Volcano erupt by adding baking soda and Vinegar.......
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Posted - September 29 2012 : 01:18:04 AM
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Got to thinking, Daycoupage epoxy, can be used for making water too! Specially if just a thin shiny "water looking" surface is to be seen.
It can be added in 1/16th inch thickness applications, and can have multiple applications added for thicker deeper water.....
DO NOT add it thick all at once as it will crack, and won't look right after the crack, even filled in, with a thin layer added after the last application cures!
My Museum Quality Display case will be getting this treatment as I've done it for like water in drainage ditches where the water is there, BUT, not real deep......Works really well!
Be sure to paint the river bed or underwater ground accordingly, as it will be seen through the Daycoupage epoxy!
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