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 Posted - June 16 2010 : 09:23:31 AM
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I have noted that there are gaps in the history of Tyco. Now that could be because of my age… However, I do feel a need to establish a Tyco Historical and Technical Society to record details before I forget everthing I thought I knew...
Shaygetz's dual powered Tyco “F” caught my attention… and opens up a whole can of worms… For the last several years I’ve noticed confusion reigns between dual powered factory built loco’s and dual packed loco’s ( i.e. two units, usually one a dummy packaged and sold together).
Tyco’s dual powered loco’s never did well, both performance wise and sale wise… Reason Irv’s flywheel equiped all wheel drive “F’s” cost less… ran better!
However, the Tyco production left a big pile of stock numbers, pretty much unknown and unused! What I propose is to publish a series of production stock numbers that assist in clarification.
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Posted - June 16 2010 : 10:49:23 AM
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A second lead motor could be added with Kit number 836, for $5.95. A replacement trail motor was kit number 835 for $5.95. Packaging shown is pre 1963.
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Comments, questions and corrections are encouraged. Critique of the presentation is also desired. I tried to link to Bob’s original post but couldn’t figure it out… but a great idea Mr. Founder
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Edited by - LoopnHook on June 16 2010 10:57:10 AM
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Posted - June 16 2010 : 11:46:52 AM
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brilliant Idea Loopy:
History is always good, and you're right it's a good idea to fill in the blanks particularly when it's still there in people's minds.
Its intriguing to think that mantua offere a supplementary power "fore" truck and a "trailing" one. Do you remember which was used where. For example there was no trailing power truck was there for the C-430/630 as space was an issue though I have a photo of a twin PT 630.... definitely non-OEM.
The Sharks and "F" units are the obvious candidates....
Again, real contribution....
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Posted - June 16 2010 : 11:52:33 AM
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Cool...been having a fit finding out more on this loco...it obviously isn't a 'bash---and---it doesn't look like it was modified with a Tyco aftermarket accessory. You can see both trucks are the same age...
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Posted - June 16 2010 : 11:57:29 AM
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Shay-Man:
Seen that twin F on the ho-seeker page don't know if it's still there....
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Posted - June 16 2010 : 12:17:43 PM
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Posted - June 16 2010 : 1:35:03 PM
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This news flash just in…
It has been reported there is growing swell of momentum to change the name of the proposed Tyco Historical and Technical society to the Tyco Hysterical and Tic Tac Toe Society!
News reports by IMO (opinionated)
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Posted - June 16 2010 : 1:46:19 PM
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Big G...
Nelson Tyler liked to make money... and play golf as in FORE...
I don't know much past the early seventies when Uncle Irving captured my soul... I do know that only diecast sharks and "F" units had dual motors...
Apologies’
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Posted - June 16 2010 : 2:51:25 PM
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quote:
That would be it, many thanks.
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Posted - June 16 2010 : 2:53:01 PM
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quote:
Tyco’s dual powered loco’s never did well, both performance wise and sale wise… Reason Irv’s flywheel equiped all wheel drive “F’s” cost less… ran better!
Originally posted by LoopnHook - June 16 2010 : 09:23:31 AM
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I can see why...4 wheel pickup and those blasted traction tired weenie wheels...yeesh.
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Posted - June 16 2010 : 4:10:41 PM
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Loopy:
did I get that right, there were dual motor metal mantua Sharks? I thought A's & B's were single truck power!?
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Posted - June 17 2010 : 01:24:20 AM
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Big G... there were kits to install dual motors in the early diecast RF16 sharks... at the time I thought they worked well... but actually it was pretty mediocre performance.
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Posted - June 17 2010 : 08:42:21 AM
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quote:This news flash just in…
It has been reported there is growing swell of momentum to change the name of the proposed Tyco Historical and Technical society to the Tyco Hysterical and Tic Tac Toe Society!
Originally posted by LoopnHook - June 16 2010 : 1:35:03 PM
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The name change has got my vote! 
I don't think those dual-motored units were a success because the motors would inevitably run at different speeds, and the traction tires wouldn't allow for slippage. I tried a double PT Shark years ago, and the pinions kept coming off the motor shafts no matter what I did because they were fighting each other.
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Posted - June 19 2010 : 11:43:20 AM
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Fellas,
You are probably right about the motors fighting each other or going different speeds but when I mu my PTs they seem to pull nicely and run good together.
What about removing the traction tires one one unit of the double motored loco to see if that helps.
Lionel and other companies dual motor their engines and they seem to work.
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Posted - June 19 2010 : 5:43:13 PM
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| I don't know if it's been mentioned, but I believe Mantua sold dual-motored F units--in the 80's or 90's when Mantua made a comeback separate from Tyco. I had one in SP Daylight colors that came in a special box. Just like the old Tycos with the mu-2 trucks. It didn't run particularly well.
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Posted - June 19 2010 : 7:26:05 PM
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Adams, You are correct... In the late eighties Mantua produced about 8 passenger trains, some were very pretty... To bad the matching diesels struggled to pull them!
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