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a place for photos of Fairbanks Mooris loco photos
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Posted - May 07 2010 : 8:03:37 PM
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hi frank this is a virginian dummy,only difference i see is the trucks ken
box number 4329 half asleep
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Posted - May 07 2010 : 8:19:42 PM
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Hi Frank. I agree with Ken those were made by Athearn in the early 1990s as catalog #4309 Powered Unit and #4329 Dummy Unit. Someone just painted the trucks silver. Ken, I think your's might be in the wrong box.  Or Athearn revesered the stock numbers.. Carl
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Posted - May 07 2010 : 8:20:56 PM
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Ok Ken it is a all Athearn. The dummy is Athearn # 4329, The power is # 4309. And why are you still awake. With the trucks many Athearn deisels were released with silver trucks. I have PA and SD45 that came with both. I also had a UP gp9
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Posted - May 07 2010 : 8:41:57 PM
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hi frank cant sleep,sorry,amended to 4329,wrong box i looked at ken
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Posted - May 07 2010 : 9:08:28 PM
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  I likes those locos toptrain Super neat!
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Posted - May 07 2010 : 10:10:57 PM
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hey Buss, I'm gonna clean them up and get the handrails on them. Then some numbers. They have been numbered using the Athearn stock numbers for the engines.
frank
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Posted - May 08 2010 : 09:14:38 AM
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photo photo my good man, ken
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Posted - May 08 2010 : 1:36:40 PM
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| just handrails to be done to make it really top class ken
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Posted - May 11 2010 : 12:15:36 PM
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The Athearn Pennsylvania Railroad FM H24-66 # 8701
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Posted - May 11 2010 : 3:30:58 PM
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The Athearn Pennsylvania Railroad FM H24-66 # 8703
What is this a second number.
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Posted - May 11 2010 : 4:07:34 PM
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The Athearn Pennsylvania Railroad FM H24-66 # 8704
What is this a third number.
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Posted - May 11 2010 : 5:03:07 PM
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Hi Frank. In 1978 Catalog #4305 Powered & #4325 Dummy Came in 3 Road numbers PRR # 8703, 8704, 8707. In 1997 #4305 & #4325 Came in #8701 only. So There are 4 Possible numbers for the PRR. You need to Find #8707 Carl
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Posted - May 11 2010 : 6:21:00 PM
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You need to Find #8707 Carl
I have been to many train shows through many years. Never seen 8707.
Carl Athearn also has multiple numbers on there Alco PAs 5752 was first. hen they made a set for COX with 5750. Both numbers are comon. before stoping poduction on the PAs they released a third number. I have seen it twice and cant recall it.
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Posted - May 11 2010 : 6:24:49 PM
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| hey frank could it not be 8702 ken
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Posted - May 11 2010 : 9:24:01 PM
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Frank, There is a 8707 on ebay right now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ATHEARN-HO-TRAINMASTER-PRR-8707-6112S4-/110468675643?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item19b872383b
The 3rd number for the PRR PA was made in 1997 Catalog # 3304 was the same, PRR #5758
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Posted - May 11 2010 : 10:05:31 PM
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Hey guys:
The Pennsy run their TM's long or short hood front normally?
The CNR had ONE. ran it LH forward, I believe the CPR ran their's SH fwd!
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hey friends
what about a north western #1679?
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Posted - May 12 2010 : 08:17:36 AM
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the only Athearn TM I have other than what is shown are
Reading
N&W
CNJ
LAKAWANA
VIRGINIAN
FM DEMONSTRATOR PAINT
IN BABYS
CNJ
PRR
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Posted - May 17 2010 : 11:07:38 AM
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| awesome finds toptrain I want one!
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Posted - May 17 2010 : 1:58:33 PM
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Dont forget the MILW identity crisis unit: 556/559.
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Posted - May 17 2010 : 2:59:25 PM
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It looks like south bound it was # 556. North bound it was #559
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Posted - May 20 2010 : 12:09:07 PM
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Hey guys:
The Pennsy run their TM's long or short hood front normally?
The CNR had ONE. ran it LH forward, I believe the CPR ran their's SH fwd!
-Gareth
Hey Gareth,
Pennsy owned 9 TMs and had them all set up to run long hood front. By the way, each had 3 fuel tanks for a total of 4200 gallons and cost $254,602 a piece. Gearing was for 66MPH.
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Posted - May 24 2010 : 1:42:18 PM
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Gareth ; I'm just a toy train person. For me however the trains run without derailing is OK by me.
frank
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Posted - May 24 2010 : 2:16:40 PM
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| same here its the fun not how much it shines or looks good in a box ken
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Posted - May 24 2010 : 2:43:32 PM
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| Probably preaching to the choir here, but Athearn definitely had some 'fantasy' schemes with the Trainmaster, as few roads had them. MILW for example, had a very similar H-16-66, but not a true TM (H-24-66).
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Posted - June 06 2010 : 10:10:26 AM
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Hey Frank:
Thanks for that pic, love to kitbash a Trainmaster Slug....
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Posted - June 06 2010 : 10:13:32 AM
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Hey Guys:
just wanted to say that the issue of prototype railfanning and Model (Toy) trains isn't either/or. I can strive for best possible accuracy in some area's and just enjoy the simple pleasure of a "neat" Tyco locomotive in others.
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Great photo of the slug, Frank. I never would have guessed one of those existed.
I have the Pennsy #8704, but I also picked up an undecorated Athearn Trainmaster shell at a show that has larger numberboards and dual light on both ends (Mars or Gyra, I assume), and a snowplow front, like those the Espee ran. I wasn't aware Athearn made both versions.
http://tinyurl.com/33qzo6k
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Posted - June 06 2010 : 7:32:04 PM
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Hey NP:
I got halfway through your posting and was gonna repply about the SP TM's then you stole my thunder...
however I'm gonna repost this link for TM fans....
http://home.comcast.net/~j.sing/tm-1.html
Enjoy!
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Posted - June 07 2010 : 11:33:59 AM
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Hey Gareth,
Thanks for that link. I'll have to look in my books and see if the ATSF ever tested the H24-66. Even if they didn't, still a cool idea. I don't think ATSF was happy with the FMs they had. They had several different models, but only a few locos of each model. I don't think they ever plassed a second order for any FM model.
That slug was made by N+W. They "kitbashed" about 5 of them. I don't think anyone else bothered to slugify any FMs. SP made a one-off brake sled for humpyard usage. I think I have an article on kitbashing a N+W TM slug if you want to try it yourself.
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Posted - December 03 2010 : 5:05:32 PM
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Another Athearn Reading Trainmaster #800
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Posted - December 05 2010 : 09:22:12 AM
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N&W had 20 of those slugs - class RPF6Y. 9900-9919. 9919 was converted from the last existing TM in the US (originally set aside for donation). In slug form it was donated finally by NS to VMT in Roanoke VA. The last few of these were renumbered 994-998 series and all were retired by 2008. The last pair worked in Bellevue Oh.
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Posted - December 07 2010 : 10:59:45 PM
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I've got the Santa Fe version. I'll try to get a photo up soon. I didn't know anything about it at the time, and didn't even realize until after I bought it that it was a "fantasy."
EDIT: Here it is.
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Posted - December 09 2010 : 04:31:40 AM
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[quote]I've got the Santa Fe version. I'll try to get a photo up soon. I didn't know anything about it at the time, and didn't even realize until after I bought it that it was a "fantasy."
yep as were C&NW and MILW. Tho these two had the very similar "baby trainmaster" H16-66.
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Posted - February 07 2011 : 01:05:06 AM
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Didn't see this one posted yet so I'll share mine.
Was actually owned my a friend of mine who gave me a box of HO stuff from his childhood. Came with some nice upgrades (kadee's, internal pickups are wired to motor). Motor needed some service after sitting for so long. Oddly enough this is the only blue box engine I own as of right now. But I really like how it runs!
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Posted - March 16 2011 : 11:21:07 PM
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here is my MILW I wish I would have noticed the numbers before I started to detail it. So only one side has number board decals on them.
  
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Posted - December 25 2012 : 8:51:28 PM
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Anyone have a spare set of plastic side frames for the Athearn H24-16 Athearn diesel? I'd gladly pay someone for them or offer some sort of trade! I need them for a Chessie System SD18, I'm making from a SD-9, that will look awesome in my Chessie fleet!
PM me if you have anything!
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Posted - December 25 2012 : 9:57:44 PM
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| neat locos guys BUT what lines actually had these?
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Posted - December 25 2012 : 10:42:09 PM
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Canadian National had one originally #3000 and Canadian Pacific Had several....
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Posted - December 26 2012 : 09:58:10 AM
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Ben,
The PRR also had them, they were numbered the 6700 series locomotives.....
SO, the Athearn model above is painted corectly!
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Posted - December 26 2012 : 1:33:27 PM
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[quote]Anyone have a spare set of plastic side frames for the Athearn H24-16 Athearn diesel? I'd gladly pay someone for them or offer some sort of trade! I need them for a Chessie System SD18, I'm making from a SD-9, that will look awesome in my Chessie fleet!
PM me if you have anything!
The Athearn FM trimount only came in diecast metal. This was one of two trucks on bluebox locos never tooled into plastic. The other was the D Flexicoil used exclusively on the DD40.
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Posted - December 27 2012 : 7:22:19 PM
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Larry, I have seen plastic, or what looked like plastic ones.... Maybe the H24-66 I had with plastic side frames, were not stock Athearn frames, but it did have plastic side frames, on the new inside bearing internal trucks from Athearn and fit as the plastic factory Athearns did!
NOW to figure out where those came from! Or well who made them!
Interesting tho... As for the longest time I thought Athearn made all there trucks into plastic during the end of the blue box era but the DD40 frames!
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Posted - December 28 2012 : 01:27:10 AM
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quote:NOW to figure out where those came from! Or well who made them!
Originally posted by EM-1Â -Â December 27 2012Â :Â 7:22:19 PM
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Stewart had a set of trucks that was similar but had different sideframes.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stewart-Hobbies-B-LE-409-dummy-engine-/170962456487?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item27ce280fa7
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Posted - December 28 2012 : 01:49:49 AM
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Ray, yeah those aren't "Trimount" ALCO trucks......Thats what I remember seeing and thought back then they were factory Athearn plastic side frames....
DAMN I wish I would not have sold that unit now!
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Posted - December 28 2012 : 5:54:06 PM
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The only plastic H24-66 side frames I know of are made by Atlas. Athearn only made metal TM side frames.
The side frames Ray found can be used on a "Baby Train Master", the H16-66. But only the early version. The late models used the same side frames as the H24-66.
After rereading your last post though, I am a little confused. Are you looking for an Alco Tri-mount side frame or the FM side frame?
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Posted - December 28 2012 : 7:05:45 PM
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quote:The only plastic H24-66 side frames I know of are made by Atlas. Athearn only made metal TM side frames.
The side frames Ray found can be used on a "Baby Train Master", the H16-66. But only the early version. The late models used the same side frames as the H24-66.
After rereading your last post though, I am a little confused. Are you looking for an Alco Tri-mount side frame or the FM side frame?
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Michael,
Well a few things, that picture that Ray found is of ALCO trucks, not the "Trimount" versions.....
And the Baby Trainmaster, was the H16-44......The Hxx-66 were all "Trainmasters" OR so, I thought!
The trucks that the Athearn H24-66, are Trimount, or REAL close too......If I'm not mistaken, the only differance in looks between the ALCO 3 axle trucks, and ALCO's "Trimount" trucks is the off centered axle on the Trimount trucks, and if you look at the H24-66 trucks, they do in fact have an off centered center axle!
So, with this all in mind, any one know of a company that makes "Trimount" ALCO trucks with plastic side frames, that can be fitted to Athearn trucks?
At this point, I'd even go brass if I have too! (I got the model of the SD18, done), I just got to finish building the frame and trucks for it!
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Posted - December 28 2012 : 9:48:44 PM
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Here are some photos of 3-axle trucks.
Sorry for the poor scan quality. My scanner did not like these 2(!) pages. It insisted on seperating the 2 photos on each page into seperate scans. Never had that problem before.
The text under the first photo is: "On its own A1A-A1A road switchers Baldwin used this cast, straight-equalized truck with the center axle slightly off-center. Wheelbase: 11 feet 6 inches."
The text under the last photo reads: "The F-M version of the trimount three-motor road truck is a less expensive, lighter, single-equalized design. The wheelbase is 13 feet."
Photo #2 is of the Alco trimount. Photo #4 is the FM trimount. They are very different looking. Which of these were you looking for?
If you are looking for the truck in photo #2, there are several makers. Atlas made it for the RSD-12. It is also found on AHM and IHC C628s. I have not tried to mount either on an Athearn truck. Shouldn't be too hard, though axles and journels may not line up perfectly.
Photo #3 is the one Ray had found.
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Posted - December 28 2012 : 10:29:54 PM
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Here is the deal:
All FM hood units made before the production of the Train Master, (H24-66) are simply refered to as "H-Liners". This includes all versions of the H15/H16-44. The H16-66 was a different story though. The early model was also called an "H-Liner". But in 1954 the loco was completely redesigned and is basically a 1600hp version of the TM. Since it is a few feet shorter then the full TM, the nickname "baby train master" stuck.
The late model H16-44 looks like a short TM as well. Why did it not get a cool nickname as well? Don't know. But it should have as the "baby train master" name certainly applies. Bachmann does call it such. I've even read suggestions on other forums to change the name of the H16-66 to "junior train master" and the H16-44 to "baby tm".
I do have a couple articles out of old MRs on how to kitbash an Athearn TM into a late model H16-66 if you want to give it a try. Fairly easy conversion.
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Posted - December 29 2012 : 6:06:38 PM
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Hypoponera,
You must have quite a collection of custom locomotives?
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Posted - December 29 2012 : 8:11:11 PM
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| I have a few Unfortunately I have not had the desire to work on any for about a year now. Just now getting back into it. Hopefully I will get a few more projects posted in the kitbashing section.
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