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 Posted - March 28 2010 : 2:40:34 PM
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* the original title was a Question. The amount of good info recieved removes the question. The title is now about Lionels first year in HO scale and their Rivarossi made 2-8-0..
* Did Lionel market the Rivarossi 2-8-0. This was released I think by both AHC and AHM. I really am not sure who marketed it.
At a show a few weeks ago at Paramus High School a dealer had a lot of Lionel Ho. With them was some Rivarossi 2-8-0s. He had both the franch and english cab version. The only difference was the cab. It also had two different smoke box fronts. A plain one and one with a feedwater heater tank. The loco came with and without valve gear. The tenders coal bumker had either a top edge sloped down towards the front, or a flat top edge. The photo shows the flat coal bunker, a feedwated heater, and valve gear with the english cab. I know the Lionel name was on none of them. This dealer said that all the ones he had were lionel. He had a few different types. If Lionel sold this loco. What was it's appearance. What made it different.
* I have seen 1958 and 1959 catalogs and no Rivarossi 2-8-0 is there. Lionel started in 1957 now was ti offered then. If so what did it look like.
frank
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Posted - March 28 2010 : 5:01:28 PM
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You're right Frank, it was the 1957 catalog. I don't remember where I got this scan. I thought it was HOSeeker, but he only goes back to 58, and Tony Cook's site only goes back to the mid-seventies.
Looks like it came with the European cab.
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Posted - March 28 2010 : 5:16:25 PM
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Hi Frank. Lionel did offer a Rivarossi 2-8-0 Catalog number 0610. It was different for the regular AHM / Rivarossi engine. It had a plastic shell tender with a diecast frame and motor in tender. Number 280 on shell. It had a D shaped European cab window as opposed to the square American type. There were also no road names. If the guy at the show had some with the square cab windows with road names they were not the early models that Lionel had imported. It is hard to find the D cab window engine along with a Tender that the diecast frame did not rot away. My scanner is dying. But, I was able to scan page from Greenberg Book. You can see the differences.  Carl
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Posted - March 28 2010 : 5:50:54 PM
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Thank you Nelson and Carl. info is good. Got to look at AHM info on theres. I kind of remember them sell this french version also. I think it should show up in old AHC adds or period catalogs.
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Posted - March 28 2010 : 7:19:37 PM
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Frank & Carl, we've been having a discussion about these on one of the vintage HO groups I belong to, and we've also been trying to figure out who imported the tender drive version of the RR Harbor belt 0-8-0 in the 60's. It wasn't AHM. Do either of you know? Was it AHC?
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Posted - March 28 2010 : 10:00:41 PM
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Hi Nelson. Well you can tell the guys at the other discussion that it was AHM that imported the 0-8-0 IHB. In the AHM Parts Catalog from 5/1966 that shows both types of drives for the 0-8-0 According to the parts list it states that there were 3 versions of the 0-8-0. one was the MT-1 version with the motor in the tender. Carl
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Posted - March 28 2010 : 10:48:13 PM
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Thanks for that, Carl. The AHM Scratchbuilder's Bible on HOSeeker starts with the 1969 version with the motor in the cab, so that threw us off.
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Posted - March 28 2010 : 10:57:02 PM
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I took pictures of the 2-8-0 I have this is the only one I have that the diecast parts of the tender have not gotton Zinc rot.. Carl
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Posted - March 29 2010 : 11:26:20 AM
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quote:Frank & Carl, we've been having a discussion about these on one of the vintage HO groups I belong to, and we've also been trying to figure out who imported the tender drive version of the RR Harbor belt 0-8-0 in the 60's. It wasn't AHM. Do either of you know? Was it AHC?
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â March 28 2010Â :Â 7:19:37 PM
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Nelson ; It was a date that determied when the drive changed. It happened when AHM was marketing the IHB 2-8-0. Once Rivarossi replaced that beast of a motor the newer small motor cab mounted happned. AHM relased the IHB 2-8-0 with first that big motor with the the little ball bearings. then the big motor with brass sleve bearings. One was a direct replacement of the other. Then the small cab mounted motor was made. This engine is a AHM dirived engine made for AHM by Rivarossi.
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