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Electric locomotives, If no credit given, posted by toptrain
post 1, Lima German Railway Class 151
post 2, photo of class 151 by martin67
post 3, Playart Swiss class Ae6/6
post 7, Lima Swiss Ae6/6
post 8, Lima, German, class E-69, DB 169 002.3
post 10, Lima, Italian, class E-424 newer version
post 15, Lima Italian State Ry. E646 2 piece electric loco, and a Fleischmann red E-69 steplecab, by DaCheeze
post 16, Lima, Belgian Railways (SNCB) Class 15
post 20, Lima, French, quadri-courante, SNCF CC40100 (also as SNCB 1800)., by martin67
post 21, Kleinbahn, 2 electrics. a c-c and a b-b type. 3 photos. by Erich
post 22, Kleinbahn, A pair of 6 wheel electrics.
post 23, photo of 10 wheel German class E-88 loco. #204. by Erich
post 30, a atlas PRR C-425 showing a type of loco painting.
post 32, a drawing od a DD1 PRR Electric loco. by Erich
post 35, photo of a PRR DD1. by catrordken
post 39, a photo of the mechanism within a PRR Dd1 locomotive. by catfordken
post 42, Lima, South African Railways Class 5e.
post 45, Lima, South African Railways Class 5e, painted for the "Blue train "
post 46, Fleischmann, Dutch class, New haven Mc'Ginnis paint, c-c electric.
post 51, A photo of a Crocodile locomotive. by Erich
post 52, a model photo of a ROCO Crocodile in green
post 53, a photo of India railway 'EF' class No.1-20027. by catfordken.
post 54, A photo of Illinois Terminal Class D freight motor # 72. by catfordken
post 57. ROCO crocodile in red
post 60, TYCO, PRR GG1 Tuscan red # 4173
post 62, ROCO, German, DB class E-144 and 4 boxed passenger cars.
post 63, TYCO, PRR GG1, brunswick green #4173 also. by Vanderbilt.
post 65, ??, A modern Italian electric locomotive. by Vanderbilt.
post 66, Penn-Line, GG1, New Haven #360
post 67, Penn-Line, GG1, Great Northern #5018
post 70, TYCO, GG1 silver silgle stripe, #4866
post 71, Tyco GG1 PRR #7173, Marklin E94 "Gator , ...a box cab I scratch built, Jouef SNCF * * CC6505 , 3 AHM/Rivarossi GG1s 4890, 4866, 4826 by shaygetz
post 72, box cab loco , by catfordken
post 74, Penn Line GG1 PRR #4059 Brunswick Green single stripe.
post 76, Penn Line GG1 PRR #4059 Tuscan Red single stripe.
post 78, Penn Line late, and Varney GG1 drive.
post 80, Penn Line GG!, PRR #4890 Brunswick Green.
post 82, Atlas AEM 7, Amtrack acela
post 86, Atlas AEM7 SEPTA
post 87, Penn Line GG1 made from kit with decals, kit all metal. Brunswick green # 4917
post 88, Penn Line GG1 Tuscan #5796
post 89, Penn Line GG1 Brunswick Green #5796
post 91, photo 1- Atlas ALP 44 PRR
* photo 2- Atlas AEM 7 PRR
* photo 3- Atlas AEM 7 PRR
post 94, American GK E60CP I painted for the CNJ #4003
post 95, American GK E60CF I painted for the PRR #5023
post 96, American GK E60CF Conrail #4544 by AF kid
post 98, TYCO GG1, PRR black #4173 by microbusss
post 99, New Haven, Schrader brass, EPA4 undecorated, by Mustangs_n_Trains
post 100, A track cleaning box car electric, kitbashed by Mustangs_n_Trains
post 101, American GK, E60CP New Haven #356 and 2 NH E60CFs, and 2 NH penn-line GG1s, then 12 Lionel E44s, last another die cast GG1 , by Mustang_n_Trains
post 106, Tyco GG1 silver #4866
post 113, a E60CF Penn Central, #4544, just the body, maybe American GK, by CNVIATyco
post 114, E44 Bachmann, Virginian # ?, by tycowolf
post 115, Lima DB, 103 110-3
post 116, triang BR EM2, martin 67
post 117, NH E60CP, mustang n trains.
post 118, PRR 2-B-B-2, Kawai, International
post 122, HOrnby acHO French electric locomotive.
post 124, bachmann E-33 New Haven. to Sean.



post 1

I'll put some photos here of the four I have and the others I use to have.
This first one I've traded away. I have any idea what it is.
frank

OK Martin has this as a DB class 151 electric.

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Hi,

this is a DB (German Railways) Class 151 electric. They use it for heavy freight trains over here. The blue and cream paint is from the 70's and 80's, meanwhile all of them are red.

/tyco/forum/uploaded/martin67/img0159rf6.jpg

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Here is my next electric. I have no idea what this is either.
correction info by martin67 and toptrain : Made by Lima for Playart class Ae6/6
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To see what it is read Martins next thread.

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That's a Ae6/6 Class from Switzerland. It actually never ran in orange and white, all of them were green (meanwhile repainted to red). Lima had the green version as well.

Some say that this Ae6/6 was the model with the highest number of sold models in the whole Lima programme. It was incredibly popular even if there was no prototype.

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Martin are you saying that their was no such loco, or no such road name on the loco.
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That's it! There was no such livery on this type of engine in real. Swiss railways had locos in orange and white, but those were smaller Re4/4 (8 wheels).

Back to your model, are you sure it is a Lima? There should be a small white line above th upper orange band.



There was a copy of this model from Playart, Hongkong which did not feature this white line. This one usually had blue window inserts and a can motor. As this was a real copy, the hoods are interchangeable, maybe it's a Playart hood on Lima chassis...



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Martin, yes that is the Lima one . I got the two photos mixed up. I have the lima-playart one also. They are very much alike except for that white line. They even use the same #11103
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Next Lima is a steeplecab. DB 169 002.3. The Lima site shows it in red.

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This little engine was in service until the very early 80's on a branchline in southern Bavaria. German Railways had four of these units, but each a little bit different. All four are still existing.

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Class E69 (renumbered to 169 002-3 in 1968, now again E69 02).

To see some more, click here:
http://mmiwakoh.de/Eigene%20Webs/Railfun/Murnau%202005.htm

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* This one I still have. I have two, this newer one boxed and a older version of the same loco. The older looks similar but is different due to a different drive and less detail. Also the pentagraphs are much nicer on the new one.



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That's a Italian State Railways electric class E424. This type of engine is still in service in Italy, although all of them are repainted and they lost their silver center door (which actually used to be a baggage compartment). The real E424 is used for light freight and local passenger service.

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Picture taken from this site:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix_frameset.html

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P.S. Nice stuff, I love it!



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This is a very interesting topic you have going, guys.

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is this Lima any resemblance to the USA Lima Locomotive Works or not? good stuff guys I loves seeing railroads from other countries
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Lima never made a Lima Loco...

Actually, there was no resemblace or relationship between those two Lima companies. I don't know, why the name Lima was chosen as the name for the model train maker from Italy. Still more, there is the town of Lima in Peru.....

This thread is good fun, anybody else with unknown european models?

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Here are my two European electrics. The articulated and well weathered engine in the back I'm pretty sure is made by Lima...I know I asked here a while back but I have completely forgotten The red E69 is a Fleischmann from the 60's.



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My next LIMA electric is this blue one. It has B-B wheel arrangment



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Hi all,

Cheez, the artic is Lima, Italian State Ry. E646.

The blue engine Frank shows us is a Belgian Railways (SNCB) Class 15. It's a tricurrant loco for international express trains. Lima did a quite good job with this one, even if it sits a bit high on the chassis.

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http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix_frameset.html

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That blue one, the Belgian Railways Class 15, is really nice to look at.
I love how the headlights are styled, and the chrome that follows them.


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I never knew Lima did a 'tri-courante', I thought they were the exclusive domain of L.S.Models. So cool, n'est-ce pas?
Come back Lima, all is forgiven. Save us from a world of SD40s!
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Lima even had a quadri-courante, SNCF CC40100 (also as SNCB 1800).



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Austrian 1010

and 1041

No Lima, but Europian electric!

My grandfather bought them for me (and him too) when I was a little boy, but after playing sometimes, he kept them away with some other stuff in a big suitcase. this are made by Kleinbahn in Austria (1960ties).
al wheels driven, two motors on board.

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Kleinbahn : I have a pair of O-B-O ( 0-6-0 ) Electrics by Kleinbahn.


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Kleinbahn : I have a pair of O-B-O ( 0-6-0 ) Electrics by Kleinbahn.



Originally posted by toptrain-June 01 2009: 3:03:23 PM





fortunately you have two you can kitbash a 1280 with the true wheelset. some people in Austria did this! Nice project I think.

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Naa ! I'll just reletter them for Pennsylvania and make them class B electrics for that line.
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Naa ! I'll just reletter them for Pennsylvania and make them class B electrics for that line.
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Originally posted by toptrain-June 02 2009: 09:16:53 AM



Amazing, please post result !

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Erick : I'm not that prototipical a modler. I rather have a B type electric that says Pennsy on it then not have one. If fate on chance allows me to aquire a real one I will remove my decals. For me it's not inportant.
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Erick : I'm not that prototipical a modler. I rather have a B type electric that says Pennsy on it then not have one. If fate on chance allows me to aquire a real one I will remove my decals. For me it's not inportant.
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From that point feel free to do what you like! never mind and have fun

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The real B6 had a stepped platform on one side only. I'll likely add a stepped platform on each. The Pennsylvania name will be hard to apply with those 3 large vents under the windows,so only PRR keystones will go on with no number change. And maybe some air tanks and pipeing. Right now I'm detailing a Athearn USRA light mikado for the Pennsy.
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The Pennsylvania name will be hard to apply with those 3 large vents under the windows,
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What about sanding the vents, also OBB sign and number?

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quote:
[quote] The Pennsylvania name will be hard to apply with those 3 large vents under the windows,
What about sanding the vents, also OBB sign and number?

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Originally posted by Erich-June 06 2009: 04:48:44 AM



Erich : I really don't want to change the loco. For the Pennsy it was common to just apply keystones to show who the operating company is. Here is a Atlas C-425 with just keystones.
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hi Frank all my athearn,concor,kato pennsy frieghts are same as you say,ken
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Found this in one of my books, due to the german text I post pic only.

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Found this in one of my books, due to the german text I post pic only.

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I know the PRR tried out some odd locomotives...but yikes.
That isn't real, is it?


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thats real Matt - build in 1909!

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second photo is the real thing ken







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Wow. Very strange indeed!

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Those old jackshaft electrics were cool. The electric motors of the time were far too large for the underframe, hence the jackshaft and siderods.
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You found something I koow about. But not completly. The Pennsylvania Railroad class DD1. In steam a D class in Pennsy was a american type 4-4-0. It stayed the same for electric locos. So a DD1 was 4-4-0 0-4-4. Where I live the pennsy pulled their trains to the west side of the North Bergen NJ. Steam or Diesel ended here. The DD1 was a tunnel motor or transfer engine that would pull the passenger trains into Penn Station. I don't know how many they had. it wasn't just a couple. I don't know if the other electrics went stright into Penn Station or not. Pennsy did put their B class electric that was resigned to work in pairs and at times used them the same way. I don't remember reading about that.

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The first couple were called "DD" and was made 1909-10. Numbers: 3996+3999

1910-11 the build 31 more, called "DD1".
Numbers: 3932 to 3949 and 3952 to 3995.

Motor: 795 kW, 1065 PS (think europian PS)
Weight: 90,2 t (199000 lb)
Lenght over all: 19787 mm (64 ft 11 in)
Topspeed 129 km/h (80 mph)

They were coupled togehter to have the wanted power.
Pulled trains from Manhatten Transfer to Pensilvania Station.
Until 1924 the DD`s pulled all trains on this route.

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Very interesting pic Ken, I like that a lot!

Maybe that would be a neat kitbash project...just take two 4-4-0's like Frank said, and somehow place an old heavyweight coach over top. Of course you'd need to add a vast number of details, but the overall shape would be right.


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Another Lima Electric.


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Hi all,

this one is really good. It's a South African Railways Class 5e. Lima started to offer South African models in 1973 and over the years they offered a very interresting range of trains. I show some of them on my Lima collectors website:

http://mmiwakoh.de/Eigene%20Webs/lima-modellbahn/SAR1%20en.htm

And for the real thing:

http://www.geocities.com/satrains/electric5.html

This engine was also avalable in blue for the famous "Blue Train" and ther was a starter pack (extremely rare) with a gray version lettered "Metroblitz".

Check my website for these locos and also for the South African range of coaches and freight cars.

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The Pennsylvania name will be hard to apply with those 3 large vents under the windows,so only PRR keystones will go on with no number change.
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Here is the South Africian electric in blue for the "BLUE Train"


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My next Electric locomotive is by Fleischmann. A Mc Ginnis painted doublender.


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what? no one has that famous Swiss Crocodile electric loco?
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Hi,

this Fleischmann engine is quite valuable in Europe, prices for a good example in original box easily reach the 800$-mark.... I envy you!!!

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I amazed that loco even exists ken I'm guess its at the Pennsylvania Railroad or B&O Museum?
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My Mcginnis was a beat up, played with, no box running locomotive. It is pictured on my old layout. I traded it away when i got rid of my NYC and NH locos. It was valuable as I traded even for a Westside PRR I1 decapod.
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what? no one has that famous Swiss Crocodile electric loco?

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Yes of course, the swiss crocodile is famous. But ours in Austria is stronger and looks better! - Erich
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