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 Posted - November 16 2008 : 10:15:06 AM
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do american railroads have standard position of horns on their locos or is it random as this one seems to be set at rear ken
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Posted - November 16 2008 : 10:20:52 AM
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| Ken-- Most of the new locomtives--the horn is in the center while on older locomotives - the horn was on top of cab
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Posted - November 16 2008 : 10:53:20 AM
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| brian the loco shown is a overland model dating from 80s when you say modern from when ken
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Posted - November 16 2008 : 5:42:16 PM
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quote:brian the loco shown is a overland model dating from 80s when you say modern from when ken
Originally posted by catfordken-November 16 2008: 10:53:20 AM
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No loco picture on my page ken. Modern = 90's to current. There were some 80's and earlier diesels with the air horns in middle but i think they were few. I do not know if officially there is a standard for railroads placing of horns--Budman on the forum may have better insight as he is employed with CSX.
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Posted - November 16 2008 : 5:45:50 PM
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oops sorry brian its a overland gp40x ken
Edited by - catfordken on November 18 2008 08:51:31 AM
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Posted - November 16 2008 : 5:50:57 PM
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| Nice loco--thos horns look out of place over the exhaust grille. In real life-i have never seen horns mounted there and do not think no railroad would as soot would clog them. Mounted over cab or in center is more appropriate
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Posted - November 16 2008 : 6:02:07 PM
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If you are looking for photos of american railroad diesels look at http://www.northeast.railfan.net It has steam and diesel photos.
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Posted - November 18 2008 : 08:38:07 AM
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Hey Ken,
I don't think there is a true "standard" horn location. Each railroad specifies where the horn should be located. The specified location can also vary depending on make and model of loco as well.
NYC and EL had to mount horns in front of the cab roofline to clear portals. Southern and N+W used to mount the horns on the end of the long hood as that was the front of the loco. The AC+Y mounted the horns along the upper side of the long hood on their H20-44s and H16-44s. So quite a bit of variation was possible.
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Posted - November 18 2008 : 08:51:03 AM
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cheers frank for link
Brianstyco,thanks for info this is way it arrived from factory owner said?,must admit have never seen one there myself
Hypoponera,thanks for info ken
both overland ups according to box
 
think owner telling porkies,but the bit at front where horn is normally is different from horn base on painted one
Edited by - catfordken on November 18 2008 09:11:39 AM
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Posted - November 18 2008 : 09:25:26 AM
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Hey Ken,
I found a photo of a UP GP40X. It is number 9002 and has the horn at the rear of the long hood just as that brass loco does.
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Posted - November 18 2008 : 09:32:39 AM
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| hi Hypoponera,can you post it site please kind sir ken
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Posted - November 18 2008 : 10:11:34 AM
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I will see if I can find any more tonight.
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Posted - November 18 2008 : 11:49:44 AM
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I have seen BN locos with horns in that location.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bn/bn2505adb.jpg
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Posted - November 18 2008 : 12:19:05 PM
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| many thanks guys,just proves that logic does not always dictate,as bryan said not a good place to put a horn with all the crap that comes out of the fans ken
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Posted - November 18 2008 : 8:11:27 PM
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Hey Ken,
Just to add to the confusion, here is a photo of UP #9001. Looks like your painted loco.
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Posted - November 19 2008 : 05:33:27 AM
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| union pacific and their numbering,9001 from 78-85 then 91 till next number change or retired ken
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Posted - November 19 2008 : 9:34:28 PM
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I own no brass pieces. I need to get one.
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Posted - November 20 2008 : 04:45:58 AM
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| all my diesel brass are gps for some reason i have found them cheaper,i have 4 in total ,2 gp40xs and 2 gp50s all bought for less than $80 each,steam or sds are a lot dearer ken
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Posted - November 27 2008 : 03:06:56 AM
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quote:
I have as well. Generally for the reason that the further the horns were from the cab, the less likely hearing loss would result.
(May also explain why headlights are being found on the noses as opposed to the cab... "Less Blinding to the Engineer and Conductor detraining, and the closer to the rails needed to be seen, less towards the nearby highway" )
The other reason why the horns were mounted just above the rear fans was because the fans exhausted up, thereby deflecting any diesel exhaust as well.
Many early Diesel horns were placed outside, just in front of the engineer so that he could wail his horn to anybody who was with-in ear-shot of the impending mass of steel coming towards them.
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Posted - November 27 2008 : 1:18:48 PM
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Sorry it took so long to chime in here but it looks like the question has already been answered by a few. Horns located on the long hoods of conventional locomotives of that type is not uncommon at all. Most western roads have their horns placed there. About 80% of lease units such as FURX , GCFX , and CEFX units I have been on have their horns in that location. In one of the labor contracts there was a ruling that stated that the carrier ( railroad ) was to go back and remove the horns from atop of the cab to the long hood. The clause never held much water because on CSX just about every conventional locomotive has it horn mounted directly above the cab. belive it or not there is 3 or 4 SD-40-2`s on CSX that have their horns in that location. I like them there for 2 reasons. One being because it will make it pretty hard to steal. Truckers and kids love to steal horns.I wouldnt recomend that because its a federal fellony , tampering with a federal safety regulated device. Secondly because it wears down on fatigue. After working 8 or so hours and blowing the horn for several hundred crossing ( four time for each crossing ) , you begin to develop a very large headache.
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