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Did Tyco ever make a caboose to go with the GT Alco 430? If so, what color was it? I know the locomotives are in short supply, but I've never seen a GT caboose.


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Those are beautifully done handrails. If there are cabooses I can't remember seeing them. I have one GT Alco, MIB, and one that I have worked on and run, and it would look great with nice handrails like yours.
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Hi, and thanks! This is actually a repaint (if you couldn't tell already) of a former Rock Island 430. I haven't been able to find an original GT yet. Below is a photo of it during handrail fabrication.

I recommend buying some 0.020" music wire to make your own handrails because the stock ones aren't always quite right. You know, if the angles aren't in just the right places, you can get some strain and buckling of the rails.

Form the handrails with needle nose pliers and install them to check for fit and alignment. Then take them off, but leave the stanchions in their respective positions on the rails. Paint everything so that you have coverage of the areas that won't be accessible when the handrails are on the locomotive. Keep the paint thin, though, because you will still need to slide the stanchions around a bit to get them back into place. Wrap your locomotive in one layer of plastic wrap, then re-install the handrails by poking the stanchions through the wrap. Make sure everything is straight (use some CA here and there to hold it if necessary). Paint again to even out the color and repair any installation damage. Pull the plastic wrap off around the stanchions and you're done. It's a fair amount of work, but completely worth it. I've used Testor's Model Master flat or Series 1 gloss enamels for all my handrails so far.

I posted a photo of all three of 430's with painted handrails on Brianstyco's Siver Streak post from Feb 18. Right now I'm working on handrails for a Chessie 630, and a Super Spirit of '76 630. The tough part for the Chessie is matching that Vermillion Orange, but I think I'm getting close. I'll post some pics when they're done.

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Those are beautifully done handrails. If there are cabooses I can't remember seeing them. I have one GT Alco, MIB, and one that I have worked on and run, and it would look great with nice handrails like yours.

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Wow. as alcofan said, beautiful handrails. I'll try the music wire method.
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Excellent work, Brian. Those look much better than the stock handrails. Athearn blue boxes sometimes needed some tweaking as well.
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bkoch,
That is a terrific custom paint job on the GT clone. I thought it was original. Look out ebay. The paint looks factory and I'm sure some will say better than factory and are right. Crisp handrails too.
I painted my driver GT Alco's handrails cause yours looked so nice. Mine are OK and I may post a pic.
Care to share the GT paint details? BTW just paint up a Tyco caboose in GT ,don't wait for one.

I had to strip the weathering, you can see some on the pilots. I bent some of the handrails from .022 I thought.
My pic was an attempt to imitate yours in a complementary fashion.

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Excellent handrails guys. Very nice!

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Alcofan,

Those handrails look great! That's a nice original GT.

After a lot of experimentation, I ended up lightening Testor's 1111 Dark Blue with 1145 White to get the right color. It's difficult, though, because when you see Grand Trunk Blue in the field it's appearance varies a lot as it goes through the various stages of weathering. I looked at a lot of photos and even talked to a guy who had pulled a paint chip from one sitting in a yard! I quickly became convinced that there was no pre-mixed color on the market that hit it on the nose. I'm not sure if I got it right either, but I finally gave up and just painted it. Sometimes it seems like Tyco used a paint that was nearly gray, but the blue on yours seems right to me. That is, it would certainly fit into the spectrum of Grand Trunk Blue that you would see in real life.

I airbrushed the blue, then masked the ends and primed them white. I have found that Tyco always used white primer under light colors to keep them bright and even. I mixed Testor's 1127 Orange and 1103 Red to get good match for Morency Orange and applied that, then added the white stripes. The great thing about Testors paints is that they give a finish that is comparable to the original Tyco paint. If you're a Tyco fan, you have to love that outlandishly glossy finish, right?

I finshed with decals from Microscale, set #87-650. As you would expect with their decals, they're nice and thin yet perfectly opaque.

I guess it seems like I lavished a lot of attention on this one, but I had to. I live in the heart of Grand Trunk country and I pass under a bridge every day on my way to work that heralds the "Grand Trunk Western Railroad" in faded, almost illegible letters.

Thanks for all of the positive feedback and the suggestion to repaint a caboose. I think I will do just that.

Brian



[quote]bkoch,
That is a terrific custom paint job on the GT clone. I thought it was original. Look out ebay. The paint looks factory and I'm sure some will say better than factory and are right. Crisp handrails too.
I painted my driver GT Alco's handrails cause yours looked so nice. Mine are OK and I may post a pic.
Care to share the GT paint details? BTW just paint up a Tyco caboose in GT ,don't wait for one.
I had to strip the weathering, you can see some on the pilots. I bent some of the handrails from .022 I thought.
My pic was an attempt to imitate yours in a complementary fashion.

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bkoch,
BTW excellent pics as well. Love the glossy "Tyco" finish. What are you cloning next?
Thanks for responding.

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Hi Alco Fan. Here is the finished Super Spirit of '76 with painted handrails. Chessie 630 is up next.


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BTW excellent pics as well. Love the glossy "Tyco" finish. What are you cloning next?
Thanks for responding.


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Awesome. You repainted this? Is this a clone? How did you protect the decals. Sweet!
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Amazing work...so clean and shiny looking!

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Thanks! It's a partial repaint. I painted around the base of the long hood where the white didn't quite cover completely. I also removed a lot of red overspray by buffing with a cleaner wax. Finally, I sanded and repainted the cab roof because it had some huge pieces of debris caught in the original paint that looked like carpet fibers.

The decals were loose and split, but completely intact. I used some Micro Sol to soften them and get them to lay down smoothly, then sealed them with a coat of Micro Gloss.


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Awesome. You repainted this? Is this a clone? How did you protect the decals. Sweet!

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Hi Guys,

That is some GREAT work you have done there. The only thing I have tried my hand at repainting is my Hot wheels and matchbox cars for my layout. I take that back, I did paint a Tyco caboose green for Christmas one year. Whoever had It before me slopped alot of silver paint on it so I had to do something.

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Great tip about wrapping the shell in plastic to add the handrails.
Terrific 630 restoration!

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Hi Alcofan. Here's the next installment in the painted-handrail Alco 630 series. This Chessie was a tough one - it was all about matching the orange. I experimented over a series of weeks and finally settled on a mixture of Testor's FS12197 International Orange and 1127 Orange. It's darn close to the Tyco color. In fact, I sanded and re-sprayed a couple of spots with it. The orange stripe on the side of the cab facing the camera had been badly re-touched with a brush at the factory and there was a chip in the orange stripe at the bottom edge of the cab. I'm surprised at how the repairs just disappeared.

I primed those spots and the handrails with straight-up Testor's 1169 Flat Yellow, which contributes a lot to the brightness of the orange topcoat. I also enhanced the paint elsewhere, by cleaning the factory orange overspray off of the blue paint (a very common problem with this locomotive), masking and repainting the Chessie System logo, and touching up the yellow at the base of the long and short hoods to give a nice crisp line between it and the blue walkway. I have a couple of nice Chessie SD-24's that I really like, but I think this one is my new favorite.

Up next is the D&H 630 shown below. Obviously it'll be much easier than the Chessie, but probably not as rewarding. I've got an older ICG 630 with the darker orange paint scheme waiting its turn as well.

Regards,

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are you using the stock tyco stanchions? your handrail jobs are awesome. great eye to color match like that too. i love those 630's.
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Thanks Jerry. Yes, they are the stock stanchions. So far I haven't found a good substitute that installs without modification of the mounting holes.

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are you using the stock tyco stanchions? your handrail jobs are awesome. great eye to color match like that too. i love those 630's.

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Whoa, how did I miss all the follow-ups to this? Your work is amazing! As if the handrails weren't sharp enough, I'm even more impressed with the touch-ups and paint matching. Really well done!

I've paint-matched one unit, for a custom. I made a "catfish" (Chessie Shark, yay for puns) in the vein of what Tyco might/should have. The colors were almost pure dumb luck and by now I can't remember what I used for the vermillion. Some mix of SP daylight orange and a little more red and possibly yellow, I think. Custom decals and a little bit of oversrpay and edge fuzz in the right places, and I think it looks pretty convincing.



I have a Canadiana Shark shell that was an absolute basket case, chewed by a dog. I have filed and filled all the holes and will need to paint-match it soon to finish the restoration. But that's a project still off for the future.

I think I will definitely have to paint my handrails now, though. Thanks for sharing.
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how about a The Rock or Route Rock paint scheme?
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if you try a set on a golden eagle, please be sure to right down what you use. that's the only thing keeping me from putting handrails on the two i have. i think they would look good gold or blue.

what size stanchion matches the tyco length? medium?

GIC, the shark you did looks great.

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Great stuff Brian. Very artfully done. Shows a great deal of skill and patience.
Here's a custom painted Canadiana C430 I did earlier this summer. It has MU2 power.

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What a great idea! Nicely done too - very convincing! I like it so much that I may have to give it a try myself. Do you remember what you used for the yellow? It looks like a perfect match as well.

I really like your super-detailed Rock Island shark also. It's a very effective transformation from toy to model.

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Whoa, how did I miss all the follow-ups to this? Your work is amazing! As if the handrails weren't sharp enough, I'm even more impressed with the touch-ups and paint matching. Really well done!

I've paint-matched one unit, for a custom. I made a "catfish" (Chessie Shark, yay for puns) in the vein of what Tyco might/should have. The colors were almost pure dumb luck and by now I can't remember what I used for the vermillion. Some mix of SP daylight orange and a little more red and possibly yellow, I think. Custom decals and a little bit of oversrpay and edge fuzz in the right places, and I think it looks pretty convincing.



I have a Canadiana Shark shell that was an absolute basket case, chewed by a dog. I have filed and filled all the holes and will need to paint-match it soon to finish the restoration. But that's a project still off for the future.

I think I will definitely have to paint my handrails now, though. Thanks for sharing.

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Alcofan,

Very sharp, and a difficult one to tackle! Well done, and keep 'em coming!


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Great stuff Brian. Very artfully done. Shows a great deal of skill and patience.
Here's a custom painted Canadiana C430 I did earlier this summer. It has MU2 power.


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Love your repaints, and your handrails with those razor-sharp bends. They almost look too perfect, especially after dealing with those noodley Delrin railings.
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Very sharp, and a difficult one to tackle! Well done, and keep 'em coming!



Originally posted by bkoch-August 14 2009: 11:41:37 PM



Brian,
I probably wouldn't have thought of it but I had to try after seeing your GT 430 clone.

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[quote]Hi Alcofan. Here's the next installment in the painted-handrail Alco 630 series. This Chessie was a tough one - it was all about matching the orange. I experimented over a series of weeks and finally settled on a mixture of Testor's FS12197 International Orange and 1127 Orange. It's darn close to the Tyco color. In fact, I sanded and re-sprayed a couple of spots with it. The orange stripe on the side of the cab facing the camera had been badly re-touched with a brush at the factory and there was a chip in the orange stripe at the bottom edge of the cab. I'm surprised at how the repairs just disappeared.

I primed those spots and the handrails with straight-up Testor's 1169 Flat Yellow, which contributes a lot to the brightness of the orange topcoat. I also enhanced the paint elsewhere, by cleaning the factory orange overspray off of the blue paint (a very common problem with this locomotive), masking and repainting the Chessie System logo, and touching up the yellow at the base of the long and short hoods to give a nice crisp line between it and the blue walkway. I have a couple of nice Chessie SD-24's that I really like, but I think this one is my new favorite.



OUSTANDING! I really could'nt tell you had painted the GT locomotive! If I would have really studied it I would have eventually caught it. All the GT C430's I have seen do not have a glossy finish on them. Once again you did a fantastic job here.
Something that may help you out. Since I model the Chessie System I found that the TESTORS orange paint pens are VERT close to most of the oranges that a lot of manufactures use. That paint pen has bailed me out on a lot of ocassions. Thought I would just mention it. Looking forward to seeing the ICG you are going to do.

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