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 Posted - October 10 2006 : 4:36:11 PM
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hi i have been offered a pemco pennsylvania gg1 mint boxed unrun with instructions are they any good,and what value ken
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Posted - October 10 2006 : 7:14:36 PM
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| Get It get It Get IT!
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Posted - October 10 2006 : 7:33:57 PM
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| why whats so good about them or is it the rariety,i will if the price is right,what is it worth ken
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Posted - October 10 2006 : 7:53:54 PM
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| I dont know the value at all except if you like it and it runs buy it and run it down the road and then sell it when you tire of it. I never buy anything just for value its got to sparkle to the inner-child that wants to see it run. Pemco is out of busines and they made an attempt at being a serious eletric model train company so I imagene the castings are good, what are they asking for it?
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Posted - October 10 2006 : 7:57:45 PM
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| thats the problem he wants me to offer,trouble here in uk we do not see them,if they are hard to get there,it makes people what mega bucks here,i do not buy because its rare or cheap i like it but have no idea of a price to offer on this,so may just feel my way,it is in mint condition ken
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Posted - October 10 2006 : 10:31:42 PM
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I repaired a Pemco GG1 for a friend.
I was not that impressed with it.
The Pemco only has 6 wheel drive (spur gear drive) It had electrical pickup issues and the rims were coming off the drivers.
I would buy an IHC GG1 if I had a choice.
Just my opinion, it's your choice.
Ray
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Posted - October 10 2006 : 11:15:16 PM
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C-Ken:
Gotta agree with Ray's appraisal of the Pem-crud GG("ghastly garbage")-1. The Pemco GG-1 was an item I bought new when the company was still trying to get off the ground. I purchased a few of their products: some cars, including the crane and wreck car (very nice models), the mogul, the mountain (all-in-all, both good for the money), and the GG-1. It was repaired, re-repaired, cajoled, nursed along, coaxed... and frequently cursed at. I couldn't wait to replace it with a Penn Line or Rivarossi.
I guess from a "collector" standpoint a NOS boxed example might be appealing--but not for too much coin.
for whatever another opinion's worth...
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Posted - October 11 2006 : 07:34:30 AM
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| many thanks to all,the info is handy,i did notice a couple of pemco items on ebay fetching $30 or less,and he wants that amount,so will think on it,look at it and decide,ken
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Posted - October 11 2006 : 11:08:54 AM
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Ken:
In my opinion $30 is probably the outside edge of its value. Would rather have, as mentioned before, Rivarossi (AHM), or Penn Line and pony up the difference. The Penn Line GG-1 is a particularly fine engine: massive, heavy, all-metal. The New Haven or Great Northern versions (although hokey) are quite striking. Both options are FAR better made than the Pemco. Heck, I'd sooner invest in the Tyco "shorty" GG-1s if it was a collecting matter. The variety of liverys and name recognition give it better "legs" as a potential collector.
MagnoliaA
ps: After Penn Line's demise in 1963-4 their toolings lived on. Varney and later, Life Like, released "reincarnations" of the excellent Penn Line GG-1
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 Posted - October 11 2006 : 11:46:03 AM
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hi magnolia academy,will give it a miss,what do you think of the southern coaches listed below ken
http://www.greenwayproducts.com/b_named_southern.shtml
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Posted - October 11 2006 : 2:07:58 PM
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| Sorry about the Enthusiasm, I realized too late that as a kid I purchased an AHM/Rivarrosi GG-1 that I just loved, ran great and looked good doing it. My Mom liked it too as she saw the originals run. It still runs today as strong as ever. I have 3 Tyco GG-1’s scattered on the workbench so all the advice you received is much better than mine. I do have a Pemco BN GP-38 I picked up in a RR show for a couple of bucks and was not impressed, nice details but a motor that only runs best on WOT!
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Posted - October 11 2006 : 2:40:03 PM
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| hi never get offended by advice good or bad thats the point of forums,i thank you for your advice as it makes sense to listen and learn,more so when buying untried items,ken
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Posted - October 11 2006 : 2:59:48 PM
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Ken:
The Athearn-based "heavyweights" are solid and reliable and have been an industry standard for decades. The company doing the crescent livery seems to have done a nice job. Two observations: the Athearn heavyweights are only semi-scale in that they are compromise cars to accomodate limited RTR track radii--that is, they are a bit shorter than, say, Bachmann spectrum, MDC palace, Rivarossi and their ilk. Secondly, since the "Southern Crescent" you bought is itself a "compromise" in that is based on the ancient and venerable Baltimore and Ohio Pacific-derived Mantua tooling with applied Southern paint and doo-dads, who cares if the Athearn-based Crescent cars are a bit short...
It will all work in a tinplate hi-rail sort-of-way. IT WILL BE PRETTY.
Magnolia Academy
ps to Trans Slam: Never feel like you need to apologize for enthusiasm, my friend. Just remember it is a Tyco forum and we all must be a bit dotty to be here in the first place. BWT, the Pemco offerings are quite attractive... heck, I bit on them. Glad you recollected just how much better your Rivarossi GG was, though. Like that comment about three Tyco "GG's" in pieces on the bench as well: that is where a lot of them end up. Power-Turkeys...
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Posted - October 11 2006 : 3:50:35 PM
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| hi magnolia academy,have been offered some rivarossi heavyweights £10 each,ken
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Posted - October 11 2006 : 6:53:00 PM
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Ken:
The Riv's are certainly more "correct." I recall their Southern livery is well-executed. No knock against the Athearn-based cars, though. They would be a sound choice as well, especially given the "compromises" inherent in the locomotive itself. I think they would look very much right together.
I like the "tinplate" character of the Crescent Pacific and the shorter cars would enhance that feel. It is reminiscent of the much-coveted "826" Lima Pacific modelled by Athearn in the early sixties. They sold in some numbers together with a rake of the first generation of the very same heavyweights being sold by the firm you found. The cars and engine were decorated in ATSF and looked great. Problem to rivet counters? As mentioned in the previous post, the cars were a bit short and the Athearn Pacific was modelled on a prototype for the Boston and Maine with no similar offering by ATSF. Still, the nostalgia of the offering is what commands the collector's dollars today. The Crescent with the Athearns has the same sort of retarditaire feel. Very, very retro-attractive.
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Posted - October 12 2006 : 04:56:40 AM
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| hi magnolia academy,have decided to get both sets as i have also got hold of a rivarossi southern loco mint boxed many thanks for help ken
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 Posted - October 15 2006 : 12:40:00 PM
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Hey,
I always assumed the current IHC HO-scale GG1 models were the same or very similar to the AHM examples. However, I was surprised to be told by an IHC person that the molds used for the current GG1s are actually the Pemco tool and die work. Now, I can't confirm that and I don't own the AHM, Pemco, or IHC so I have no way to compare. Maybe someone that does own all three might give us some input.
Tony Cook
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Posted - October 15 2006 : 1:04:57 PM
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Pemco IHCs?
I await some learned output on this inquiry as well. It seems a bit out of character for Rivarossi--the AHM GG-1 culprit and sole supplier of same as far as I know--to have surrendered tooling on their GG-1 to IHC.
Pemco tooling, on the other hand, is firmly in the Asian-rim produced camp of IHC suppliers. My CNW crane and tender (IHC) were purchased solely becaused I recognized the IHC offering as the great old Pemco tooling. I think Tyco's "professor emeritus" is absolutely correct in his appraisal, based on insider dope from IHC. I have only Pemco remnants and Rivarossi/AHM without IHC to compare, but it shouldn't be very tough to determine. The AHM and Pemco offering are radically different.
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 Posted - October 15 2006 : 1:31:53 PM
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hi guys what about mehano gg1 ken
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 Posted - October 15 2006 : 1:49:11 PM
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over here £48 brand new boxed,how much stateside
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Posted - October 15 2006 : 5:08:40 PM
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Hey,
The Mehano GG1 would be the same as the current IHC offerings, as it is Mehano in Slovenia that builds them for IHC...at least so I understand. If you look at the Mehano site you can see most of the current and recent IHC diesels represented there...
http://www.mehano.si/?PID=21&CID=39
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Posted - October 15 2006 : 5:18:38 PM
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| hi what i really wanted to know was how much in dollars a new one in states costs so i can work out if its cheaper for me to by stateside and ship ken
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Posted - October 17 2006 : 6:46:44 PM
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Wow, Ken. Deja vu on the GG-1. Your pic is a dead-ringer for my Pemco GG-1. (Well, duh. As Tony Cook replied, it is the same thing.)
Guess maybe I'd give the old Pemco a try at around $30 NIB.
Backsliding fearlessly,
MagAc
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 Posted - October 18 2006 : 10:59:39 AM
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Nice to have some confirmation that the current IHC-Mehano GG1 models are the old Pemco tooling. When I was told that IHC had been offering the GG1s based on the Pemco molds, I really didn't think it was correct...even though it came from a source at IHC. I was told that the Pemco tooling was considered better than the one formerly offered by AHM.
Of course, now there is the Broadway Limited GG1 available, but I'll second Magnolia Academy's request for an old shorty Penn Line GG1! [:D]
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Posted - October 18 2006 : 11:50:41 AM
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Well, then, what is an IHC rep gonna say? I'm unaware of any distributor's sanctioned use of the Rivarossi GG-1 tooling, which is what AHMs GG-1 were. While the original tooling and patterns for the Riv GG are quite old (perhaps leading to the IHC comment regard "better tooling") I wouldn't regard the Pemco as either a better model cosmetically or (most certainly) mechanically. Since the Hornby acquisition of some Rivarossi assets in 2004, some Riv fans have hoped for the re-release of the GG-1 but thus far the choice is limited to big steam and timber-industry related rolling stock. Still there are a lot of AHM/Riv. and newer Rivarossi GG-1s auctioned on-line with some regularity. In the end, all I can say is new GG buyers are, at the moment, left with Mehano and Mehano-built IHC GG-1s (or the beautiful BL.) All I can do in the interim is stand by my previous posts. All my AHM/Riv GG-1s are still roadworthy, some even after nearly a quarter century of steady (though, admittedly, intermittant) operation. My Penn Line GGs are pushing fifty years and still going strong. My Pemco is a backbench track ornament, looks great but hasn't been capable of locomotion for many a year.
MagAc
Anyway, would you really rather have a Tyco?
Think I would, particularly if the on-line price of beauties like the NH livery continue to spiral upward.
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