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I will try to obtain a photo tomorrow regarding this question. I have been unable to turn up anything at all
on the internet, so perhaps I am misidentifying the specific model of locomotive.

There seem to be two types of front end on this locomotive. One is quite beautiful, in the vein of Art Deco
popular in the '30's, and it was a long nose giving the design a remarkably sleek and elegant look.

Then there is the bull dog nose, like an F unit, that is rounded and stubby. It does not enhance the visual impact
of the locomotive, but looks rather more industrial. From internet searches, all the E8's and 9's have that stubby nose.

The question is, where does that long, elegant front end come in? When does it date to? What lines ran it?

Thank you in advance, and will try to post a photo Tuesday.
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The long sleek front end, what I call the slant nose, was first used on the EA models for the B&O in about 1937. They were among the very first streamlined passenger diesel locomotives built. The TA, E1, and E3 through E6 models all used the slant nose. The slant nose ended production roughly around the end of WW2, when the E7 was introduced with the bulldog nose.

Not as well known was the E2 with a more bulbous nose than anything else EMD produced. It was only used by the UP and affiliated roads SP and C&NW on the City of San Francisco trains.
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This is the E-8 E-7, the shorter of the noses


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Actually, that is the last surviving E7. The E8s and E9s has distinctive wraparound number boards not used on an other EMDs.

This E7 is missing the engineer's side number board housing, but the one on the other side can be seen protruding from the nose. PRR modified their E7s with external number boards.







A pair of restored PRR E8s head west at Tyrone, PA 07july2007. My photo.

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Thanks for the clarification jward. I corrected my post.

I see a SEPTA logo on that first silver coach. Do you know what charter group had that train that day?

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I had to look up what an E2 is. Interesting.

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Thank you for the great replies! I just knew that slant nose
had to be a 1930's thing, an Art Deco touch, a bit like the
streamlined G's of the age. Now Jimmy and I know what to be
looking for- an E3.

The Alan Jackson photo is treally interesting, but the vertical
streaks look ever so much like pigeon poop. Hope I am wrong.
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Proto2000 made E6s. There is a nice undec one on ebay right now.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304256396045?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5338817834&toolid=20006&customid=255_255_255
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I'm a bit gun shy with Proto 2000, some years ago there was a rash of Proto 2000 units of any
description that routinely had split drive axle gears. Same can be said for a number of a
manufacturers, but Proto was MRSPing at top dollar and churning out infernal junk. Has the
situation markedly improved? My first thought is if this seller is trying to offload his garbage.

A couple of years back, long story short, I sold a batch of 50 NIB Proto 2000s of various types
to a professional model railroader. The first thing he did was take them all down, and one by
one replaced the drive gear before reselling them. He didn't even check to see if the gear was
damaged, just automatically replaced it before resale.

And yes, Jimmy has several Proto 2000's, and none of them has yet to be run in. This might
not be good for him.

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P2K locos did have a lot of split axle gears, but it is a simple fix - replace with Athearn gears. Just something to be aware of, and you can often get good deals on them because of that, or at least you used to. Other than the gears, they are good runners, very smooth and will pull a lot of cars. All the ones I have had are pretty hefty. The detail on the shells are excellent as well.

I wouldn't be shy of any P2K, any more so than an Athearn BB loco - they also suffer from the same split gear malady. In either case, it's also an easy fix if you don't want to pay for new parts.
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So what is the price of a half dozen Athearn axle gears on a $79 locomotive? You'd still be under $100, far less than brass. And unlike brass you'd have a known good locomotive. If those weren't out of my era (my railroad dieselized late with lots of Alcos) I'd snap it up myself. Matter of fact I might look for a Proto E8 which would fit my railroad better.


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A good point to consider.
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