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That is awesome! I remember seeing a photo in Canadian Railway Modeler of a 4-4-4 Jubilee in Action Red.

This is right up there with the Conrail steamers :D

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was it really painted that way or is this Photoshopped?

I sees it has ditch lights on it too
yes it does look odd on NA locos BUT if I ever got a real steam loco that'd be on my loco on both ends
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That should be at the head of a fire fighting train.

It wouldn't be too hard to model this with a Tyco 2-8-0. Add a feedwater heater and enclose the cab and coal bunker...
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Originally posted by PGE33 - February 23 2017 :  10:56:46 PM



Actually it looks pretty good, I would have placed the "CP Rail" lettering in the center of the tender side.

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I question it's authenticity, as well.
The number matches a 4-6-2.
Unless my eyes play tricks, that's a 2-8-0.
The original message accompanying the email was:

"Many have likely seen, but a first time for me having to control a gag reflex when looking at CPR steam."

Not my reaction, but not a fan of it, either.
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Here it is in its usual paint:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4585677

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its a Photoshop
but its located here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettle_Valley_Steam_Railway
& the Ditch Lights are REAL!
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Um, well it's red, isn't it?
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Interesting and moderately embarrassing.
Just what list was I looking at, to get that 4-6-2 wrong?

Still, a bit of suspect photography.
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if I remember right
AHM was going to do up a few locos in BN, Conrail & PC but I don't think they were made

Aside the small switcher loco in Conrail
http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/ahmhoscalelocomotives/id87.html
never have seen the others
Also I think AHM was going to use bigger locos

I know the SP Daylight loco was repainted in the old BNSF colors with the Santa Fe X in a circle for a employee apprication day
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Somewhere here, I posted an MR article about modern road name decals for steamers
and the outrage of some subscribers over this "abomination".
If I remember correctly, and I'm not sure about that anymore, some guys even threatened to cancel their subscriptions over this.
I think it was Walthers who made the decals, and also responded to the weeping masses.
Anyone else misremember this?
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I read an article about it. Apparently, someone bought PC decals for a steam engine from Walthers. Upon later learning that PC never had steam, he was furious about having been defrauded (as he saw it) by Walthers. Walthers produced them as something you would use as a joke or a what if and never claimed they were authentic.

The whole thing struck me as a tempest in a teapot. I doubt that anyone's life was materially changed.

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Yes, that was the one.
I think it was more about them looking dumb for buying into the gag.
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Somewhere here, I posted an MR article about modern road name decals for steamers
and the outrage of some subscribers over this "abomination".
If I remember correctly, and I'm not sure about that anymore, some guys even threatened to cancel their subscriptions over this.
I think it was Walthers who made the decals, and also responded to the weeping masses.
Anyone else misremember this?
Evan

Originally posted by PGE33 - February 26 2017 :  3:21:42 PM


thats prolly what I read & would like that magazine too
course I would do steam engines in PC, Conrail & BN

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Just leave off the "CP Rail" lettering and the crescent logo thing on the tender, and replace them with a big ol' classic "Coca Cola" logo, and you'll have the 1:1 scale version of the cheesy under-the-Christmas-tree trains that have flooded the market.
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I read an article about it. Apparently, someone bought PC decals for a steam engine from Walthers. Upon later learning that PC never had steam, he was furious about having been defrauded (as he saw it) by Walthers. Walthers produced them as something you would use as a joke or a what if and never claimed they were authentic.

The whole thing struck me as a tempest in a teapot. I doubt that anyone's life was materially changed.

Originally posted by scsshaggy - February 26 2017 :  7:03:09 PM



The incident you guys are discussing is actually an interesting piece of model railroading history. This "tempest in a tea pot" as you so aptly put it started with an article called "Is This Fraudulent" on page 20 in the December 1970 issue of Model Railroader magazine.

This article was in response to a letter sent by a Mr. T. S. Harrold who suggested that an advertisement in the September 1970 issue of Model Railroader for a series of new steam locomotive decals produced by Walthers ran afoul of Kalmbach Publishing Company's "Advertising Code of Ethics".

Mr. T. S. Harrold included a copy of the advertisement in question, a copy of MR's code of advertisement ethics, and a letter...

The advertisement in question said....

"WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? UNUSUAL? TRY ONE OF THESE NEW STEAM LOCO DECALS!

52-72 Great Northern (Big Sky Blue)
205-70 Penn Central
206-70 Seaboard Coast Line
219-70 Burlington Northern

Each set includes herald, name and numbers, headlight numbers, tender data & directions."


The "Advertisers Code of Ethics", with the pertinent wording underlined by Mr. Harrold said...

KALMBACH PUBLISHING CO. believes that a bad ad hurts all advertising. The consumer may not have sufficient background information to differentiate between honest and dishonest advertising, the accurate and the untrue.....

KALMBACH PUBLISHING CO. does not knowingly accept any advertisement that may be misleading, deceptive, or fraudulent; or that might destroy the confidence of its readers in any advertising published in its magazines...


The letter Mr. Harrold wrote said...

Gentlemen:

I have enjoyed your publication for some twenty years, and anticipate another equally enjoyable Twenty.

The attached material is self explanetory (sic); I believe you owe some hundred-thousand readers an explanation, and a slap of the hand to Wm. K. Walthers Inc. Both of you should know better.

Respectfully
T. S Harrold


Reading between the lines, I don't think Mr. Harrold was really that upset over this issue, however he certainly was in the "If it aint prototypical it shouldn't exist" mind set!

The editors of Model Railroader invited comments from readers and manufactures to opine on the subject of models which have no specific prototypes.

In response to this declared debate, over 200 people weighed in with written opinions, some of which were printed in the March 1971 issue of MR. In summary the overwhelming majority of writers supported both MR and Walthers, reasoning rightly-so that "unprototypical" does not equal "fraudulent". The tally for the respondents who took a definite stand was...

Yes, the ad was fraudulent.........10
Not fraudulent, but misleading....32
For the Walthers ad...................186


This was clearly and interesting and lively debate!




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I read an article about it. Apparently, someone bought PC decals for a steam engine from Walthers. Upon later learning that PC never had steam, he was furious about having been defrauded (as he saw it) by Walthers. Walthers produced them as something you would use as a joke or a what if and never claimed they were authentic.

The whole thing struck me as a tempest in a teapot. I doubt that anyone's life was materially changed.

Originally posted by scsshaggy - February 26 2017 :  7:03:09 PM



As I recall Walthers had a number of interesting items that were considered tongue-in-cheek. The Oscar and Piker come to mind, as well as their "JailBox" boxcar.
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quote:
quote:
I read an article about it. Apparently, someone bought PC decals for a steam engine from Walthers. Upon later learning that PC never had steam, he was furious about having been defrauded (as he saw it) by Walthers. Walthers produced them as something you would use as a joke or a what if and never claimed they were authentic.

The whole thing struck me as a tempest in a teapot. I doubt that anyone's life was materially changed.

Originally posted by scsshaggy - February 26 2017 :  7:03:09 PM



As I recall Walthers had a number of interesting items that were considered tongue-in-cheek. The Oscar and Piker come to mind, as well as their "JailBox" boxcar.

Originally posted by Redwoods - February 28 2017 :  2:32:35 PM


which I DO want the Jailbox car cause it'd look funny in a wholle Railbox train

It'd be cool to find that #3716 then actually do it up in the CP Rail pac man scheme

Srenchin - that is prolly what I saw was the DECALS for steam locos noth the actual locos
I would totally do PC on a ex-PRR steam loco & BN on a ex-CB&Q steam loco with BN on it hehe

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Reminds me of the old Conrail A5 Shifter from Rivarossi
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