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 Posted - June 24 2015 : 7:23:18 PM
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Posting some images from the factory Mantua manual I just finished scanning. These are some of the lesser talked about Mantua engines, I rarely see them mentioned or posted on here. Are they just not that common? or, weren't produced in large numbers? What's the deal?
Jerry
Now, here's something advertised, I think I looked at the diagram, and I saw an open-framed motor. Wonder how the Power Drive version is different than the regular? I haven't really looked at all the details closely yet, just scanned all the documents. Anyone have a Power Drive version, and can comment on how different it is than a regular Mantua engine motor?
I ended up going back and re-scanning the first pages with the images in greyscale, as the details came out better that way .Some were already just more of a shadow image, nothing I could do to improve those, but the ones with good detailing in the images I made sure I got those done so the details are in evidence.  Will have fun perusing this new digital asset in my free time. 
Jerry
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Posted - June 24 2015 : 8:08:27 PM
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I've seen those 0-4-0 ponies at my LHS several times. I think some of them are marked limited edition, at least norfolk and western ones. But i'm not sure about details. That 0-8-0's wheels somewhat remind me of old lionel.
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Posted - June 25 2015 : 09:44:32 AM
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| Allot of the locomotives you listed share their drive trains with other more popular versions. The Pony is the same 0-4-0 as any other 0-4-0 Mantua made in that time period. I have several shifters with slant back tenders rather than the one the Pony has. As for the 0-8-0 I have to wonder what the pricing difference was between that and a Berksier or Mikido. Both of those where very similar. I do not know for sure but I suspect there were just several similar models made and people tended to like some better than others.
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Posted - June 25 2015 : 10:20:04 AM
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Seems Mantua sold some in the 80's with the power drive. Hardly see them around. Only the Pacific and Mikado got it.
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Posted - June 25 2015 : 3:27:47 PM
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I've seen the Rodgers, the Pony, and the Camelback. Other than those ones, I've never really seen any of them.
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Posted - August 02 2015 : 6:09:21 PM
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I got the pony and a pacific not together they need moters and screws
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Posted - August 19 2015 : 12:01:42 AM
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Mantua didn't sell the 0-4-0 with the center headlight for very long, I don't think. They're more common under the Tyco name. The Mantua 0-4-0 more commonly had the headlight casting on top, but a light bulb wouldn't fit.
The 0-8-0 had a very short run before it became the Tyco Chattanooga 2-8-0.
The Camelback is one you don't see too often. The design is a little strange compared to your typical steam engine, so they may not have been as popular.
The 4-6-0 pops up on eBay all the time, and I've seen some at train shows too.
Don't know about the 4-6-4!
The "Power Drive" basically separated the gearbox from the motor. The worm was on a separate shaft that fit into bearings in the frame, and a metal plate screwed down on top of it. Don't ask me where the "power" part came from, because as far as I know, it's the same gearing as usual!
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Posted - August 19 2015 : 08:12:44 AM
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quote:Don't know about the 4-6-4!
The "Power Drive" basically separated the gearbox from the motor. The worm was on a separate shaft that fit into bearings in the frame, and a metal plate screwed down on top of it. Don't ask me where the "power" part came from, because as far as I know, it's the same gearing as usual!
Originally posted by Darth Santa Fe - August 19 2015 : 12:01:42 AM
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The 4-6-4 was the same as the 4-6-2 except it had a 4-wheel trailing truck. In fact, I had a 4-6-2 and put a 4-wheel trailing truck on it because it works better, in some situations, when backing through switches. The 2-, and 4-wheel trucks are interchangeable on that frame.
The "power" part of "power drive" is a bigger motor with higher torque and lower speed. It's better suited to the heavier Mantua engines like the Pacific and Mikado than is the little motor they usually came with.
At one time, Mantua sold what they called the "810 Retrofit Kit" with which it was easy to put "Power Drive" on the bigger engines, yourself. I wish you could still get them.
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Posted - August 21 2015 : 10:39:50 PM
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quote:
The 4-6-4 was the same as the 4-6-2 except it had a 4-wheel trailing truck.
The "power" part of "power drive" is a bigger motor with higher torque and lower speed. It's better suited to the heavier Mantua engines like the Pacific and Mikado than is the little motor they usually came with.
At one time, Mantua sold what they called the "810 Retrofit Kit" with which it was easy to put "Power Drive" on the bigger engines, yourself. I wish you could still get them.
Originally posted by scsshaggy - August 19 2015 : 08:12:44 AM
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Ah, I found that reference to the 810 kit, I scanned in about 140 pages of Tyco and Mantua diagrams from my train shop a month ago. Whew! But all factory documentation, and good graphics, so it was worth doing. I saved it all to my PC and CD as well. I wasn't sure what the 810 was, thanks for clearing that up for me. :)
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Posted - August 22 2015 : 01:17:59 AM
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Another odd Mantua of the 80's I'm guessing are the 2-10-0 and 2-8-0. They both are based on the 2-8-2 platform. Looks as if Mantua used the Tyco 2-8-0 boiler on a 2-8-2 chassis. The 2-10-0 is nothing more than a 2-8-2 with a added driver.
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Posted - August 22 2015 : 3:30:26 PM
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That makes sense! I didn't realize the Power Drive had a bigger motor.
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