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 Posted - June 14 2015 : 09:57:01 AM
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Looks Im starting one again with stuffs AMC sent me hehe
Lionel AMF boxcar
yay my Lionel billboard boxcars is complete minus the cattle cars
The rare & super hard to get Durango streamlined caboose!!
My Durango set is now complete! YAY!
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 Posted - June 14 2015 : 11:16:42 AM
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My COTW is another Penn Line Silver Meteor dome car. 
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Posted - June 14 2015 : 12:50:32 PM
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quote:
The rare & super hard to get Durango streamlined caboose!!
My Durango set is now complete! YAY!
Originally posted by microbusss - June 14 2015 : 09:57:01 AM
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Glad you found that Micro-B. I've looked for them and have never seen one. Can't remember even seeing one on ebay.
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Posted - June 14 2015 : 3:11:24 PM
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| I have one of the Durango cabooses, I paid $80 for mine though!!!
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Posted - June 14 2015 : 3:16:08 PM
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Yikes! I haven't seen one on eBay for a while.
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Posted - June 14 2015 : 4:23:16 PM
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Need some help with these y'all. They say Bachman, obviously of Tyco parentage from the dies. Anyone have a clue what sets they came from? I have never seen these before so I had to snatch them up.
Im tempted to run that Redball Express car with my A Team set...seems to belong there.
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Posted - June 14 2015 : 6:04:00 PM
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Here you go metalsmith...it is Bachmann....
http://ho-scaletrains.net/bachmannhoscalerollingstock/id66.html
Utilizing their 51ft. Plug-Door Box Car, Bachmann introduces the Custom Rolling Stock group in the company's 1980 catalog. The set is made up originally of six cars (Red Ball Express, Flying Eagle, Dy-No-Mite, Old West Lines, Graffiti, and Blue Jeans Special) for its 1980 introduction. The half dozen cars remains the same and is still listed as NEW in the Bachmann 1981 catalog. Bachmann stock number 1089 was listed as a dealer assortment of this group in 1980. The Blue Jeans Special and Dy-No-Mite cars are gone in the 1983 catalog, replaced by Chef Boyardee and Smuckers. Both of these cars added to the Custom Rolling Stock releases may have gotten their starts in promotional train set offerings from Bachmann. Bachmann changes its stock numbering system in 1982 and this group's assortment pack becomes 43-1008 and individual numbers on the cars are no longer listed in catalogs. The Red Ball Express and Flying Eagle fall out of the group as of the 1984 catalog. The remaining collection of four cars (Chef Boyardee, Old West Lines, Graffiti, and Smuckers) ride out the 1980s without change and last in catalogs through 1990
http://tycodepot.com/
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Posted - June 14 2015 : 7:15:35 PM
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quote:I have one of the Durango cabooses, I paid $80 for mine though!!!
Originally posted by GG-1 Guy - June 14 2015 : 3:11:24 PM
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its fine AMC & I did a trade
Redneck Justin - not surprized by that It is a hard to find caboose
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Posted - June 14 2015 : 11:02:00 PM
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Mine this week is a tyco burlington gondola. Somehow these old tycos seem to outshine my new cars.
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Posted - June 14 2015 : 11:58:54 PM
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quote:Mine this week is a tyco burlington gondola. Somehow these old tycos seem to outshine my new cars.
Originally posted by dastumer - June 14 2015 : 11:02:00 PM
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neat
I want that construction set hehe
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Posted - June 15 2015 : 12:36:00 AM
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That is some great info JNXT....thanks for all the details. I might have to look for the other cars now to complete the set. Was there a particular locomotive and caboose offered with these?quote:Here you go metalsmith...it is Bachmann....
http://ho-scaletrains.net/bachmannhoscalerollingstock/id66.html
Utilizing their 51ft. Plug-Door Box Car, Bachmann introduces the Custom Rolling Stock group in the company's 1980 catalog. The set is made up originally of six cars (Red Ball Express, Flying Eagle, Dy-No-Mite, Old West Lines, Graffiti, and Blue Jeans Special) for its 1980 introduction. The half dozen cars remains the same and is still listed as NEW in the Bachmann 1981 catalog. Bachmann stock number 1089 was listed as a dealer assortment of this group in 1980. The Blue Jeans Special and Dy-No-Mite cars are gone in the 1983 catalog, replaced by Chef Boyardee and Smuckers. Both of these cars added to the Custom Rolling Stock releases may have gotten their starts in promotional train set offerings from Bachmann. Bachmann changes its stock numbering system in 1982 and this group's assortment pack becomes 43-1008 and individual numbers on the cars are no longer listed in catalogs. The Red Ball Express and Flying Eagle fall out of the group as of the 1984 catalog. The remaining collection of four cars (Chef Boyardee, Old West Lines, Graffiti, and Smuckers) ride out the 1980s without change and last in catalogs through 1990
Originally posted by JNXT 7707Â -Â June 14 2015Â :Â 6:04:00 PM
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Posted - June 15 2015 : 12:38:09 AM
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I never realized these were rare... now I feel like a heel because I repainted the one I had when I was a teenager into Mopac colors. Rats, now I gotta find one!quote: quote:
The rare & super hard to get Durango streamlined caboose!!
My Durango set is now complete! YAY!
Originally posted by microbusss - June 14 2015 : 09:57:01 AM
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Glad you found that Micro-B. I've looked for them and have never seen one. Can't remember even seeing one on ebay.
Originally posted by JNXT 7707Â -Â June 14 2015Â :Â 12:50:32 PM
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Posted - June 15 2015 : 06:35:58 AM
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quote:That is some great info JNXT....thanks for all the details. I might have to look for the other cars now to complete the set. Was there a particular locomotive and caboose offered with these?quote:Here you go metalsmith...it is Bachmann....
http://ho-scaletrains.net/bachmannhoscalerollingstock/id66.html
Utilizing their 51ft. Plug-Door Box Car, Bachmann introduces the Custom Rolling Stock group in the company's 1980 catalog. The set is made up originally of six cars (Red Ball Express, Flying Eagle, Dy-No-Mite, Old West Lines, Graffiti, and Blue Jeans Special) for its 1980 introduction. The half dozen cars remains the same and is still listed as NEW in the Bachmann 1981 catalog. Bachmann stock number 1089 was listed as a dealer assortment of this group in 1980. The Blue Jeans Special and Dy-No-Mite cars are gone in the 1983 catalog, replaced by Chef Boyardee and Smuckers. Both of these cars added to the Custom Rolling Stock releases may have gotten their starts in promotional train set offerings from Bachmann. Bachmann changes its stock numbering system in 1982 and this group's assortment pack becomes 43-1008 and individual numbers on the cars are no longer listed in catalogs. The Red Ball Express and Flying Eagle fall out of the group as of the 1984 catalog. The remaining collection of four cars (Chef Boyardee, Old West Lines, Graffiti, and Smuckers) ride out the 1980s without change and last in catalogs through 1990
Originally posted by JNXT 7707Â -Â June 14 2015Â :Â 6:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by metalsmith1Â -Â June 15 2015Â :Â 12:36:00 AM
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I have never seen any loco/caboose combinations for the Red Ball Express or Flying Eagle. The info mentions that Chef Boy-R-Dee and Smuckers were part of promo sets. At any rate I couldn't find anything else on Google.
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Posted - June 16 2015 : 7:55:53 PM
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My COTW is this Ulrich GS gondola. It's quite heavy.
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Posted - June 17 2015 : 9:37:17 PM
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My COTW is a Walthers REA/Great Northern Express Reefer that will go on the head end of my Empire Builder.
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Posted - June 18 2015 : 08:03:43 AM
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A old 1940's and 1950's Mantua PRR Gondola. All metal construction with printed and embossed paper sides. Old Roundhouse Automatic Knuckle couplers were used.
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/tyco/forum/uploaded/toptrain/20150618080311_P7156300.JPG
A link to a thread on Mantua Gondolas;
http://tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13492
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Posted - June 18 2015 : 12:10:47 PM
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Frank, I don't think I've ever seen one of those paper-sided cars in person. Is all the ribbing and rivet detail embossed into the paper? If so, it's amazing what realistic detail can be had with just paper!
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Posted - June 18 2015 : 5:47:54 PM
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Glen, I wonder why they, mantua, could not stamp the sheet metal sides, putting the details in the brass they used.
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edit 6-21-15
add link to thread on mantua gondolas.
http://tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13492
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Posted - June 18 2015 : 8:29:02 PM
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Well Frank, my first thought is that the steel dies needed for stamping paper wouldn't have to be as hard as the ones needed for stamping brass, and thus less expensive.
Glenn
I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "... I drank what?"
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Posted - June 19 2015 : 08:01:02 AM
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Good point Glen. Mantua did this with 2 bay hoppers, tank cars, box cars, and reefers also. Lots of interesting car in this group of 5 car types. Too bad mantua didn't make embossed paper for their 4 window brass caboose. The bobber caboose also could have benefitted with these side. Different types of sides would have expanded the car line. In reefers you could have had wood or steel sides. Reefer sides with doors located in different positions, or multiple doors. Box cars could have been single or double door. wood, steel or outside braced. 2 bay hoppers had many different sides. Chances were there for many different types of cars and road names.
* What could have been ?
* But again at what cost.
frank
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Posted - June 20 2015 : 01:52:46 AM
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Glen and Frank, it has been interesting hearing your conversation regarding the paper sides. I've been playing with that some for a little spell now with some fair results and some not so fair. But, basically, now that we have the computers and printers that weren't around in the 40's and 50's . . . we can make up whatever car sides we want and print them out. These old Manuta Metal cars are my favorites presently and I'm trying to build an homage to a use-to-be local road by changing the paper sides on these cars. I've posted photos before which you can check out if you like. Presently, coincidentally, I'm trying to do the gondola. The biggest glitch with the gondola, for me, is the loss of the third dimension when printing your own side, but will see what it looks like when all the detail is added. If my work isn't potentially embarrassing, you'll see it posted in the Mantua section. Here's one of the sides I'm playing with, but I'm hoping I'll come up with something better before I'm done. The whitish side is a Mantua side that the color got bleached out of when I was removing paint and disassembling a car. Basically, I scanned that into the computer and then messed with it. Then I print it in 4 X 6, measure it, and copy it whatever percentage necessary (94 it seems for this) on some decent card stock . . . voila.
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Posted - June 20 2015 : 08:15:36 AM
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Will be interesting to see your results Barry.
The closest I have come to this was printing paper sides for cardstock buildings. The upside is that you can literally print off about anything your imagination can come up with - the downside is the issue of creating depth - or the illusion of it.
I found that detailing, or any element that has the third dimension added to it...goes a long way toward giving all of it a realistic look.
So for a piece of rolling stock - I'm thinking grab irons, raised ribs, brake wheels...things of that nature.
Anyway, looking forward to progress pics.
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Posted - June 23 2015 : 12:08:26 PM
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quote:Frank, I don't think I've ever seen one of those paper-sided cars in person. Is all the ribbing and rivet detail embossed into the paper? If so, it's amazing what realistic detail can be had with just paper!
Originally posted by gmoney - June 18 2015 : 12:10:47 PM
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Oh yes, and if you think that gondola is impressive, you should see some of the outside-braced boxcars that several companies made with embossed paper sides. A few of them were incredible--from 2' away you can hardly tell the ribs aren't separate wooden sticks!
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Posted - June 24 2015 : 01:24:40 AM
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Barry, I couldn't resist playing with that car side image a little bit by trimming the herald a little closer. I hope you don't mind!
Glenn
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Posted - June 25 2015 : 5:39:43 PM
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Were it not for the inability to create suitably raised (or raised-looking) rivets on them, or to emboss grooves for wooden sheathing, I'd be printing car sides for just about every boxcar and reefer that ever rolled the rails 
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Posted - June 26 2015 : 6:35:06 PM
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quote:A old 1940's and 1950's Mantua PRR Gondola. All metal construction with printed and embossed paper sides. Old Roundhouse Automatic Knuckle couplers were used.
frank
Originally posted by toptrain - June 18 2015 : 08:03:43 AM
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I'd like to see photos of those couplers. ALL of my Roundhouse couplers, like DeVore, have curved air hoses...not like KD, but curved with a ball on the end.
The coupler on the right of the photo, from the angle, looks like an early non-magnetic KD with the vertical trip pin dropping off the end of the moveable jaw.
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Posted - June 26 2015 : 7:15:46 PM
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quote: quote:A old 1940's and 1950's Mantua PRR Gondola. All metal construction with printed and embossed paper sides. Old Roundhouse Automatic Knuckle couplers were used.
frank
Originally posted by toptrain - June 18 2015 : 08:03:43 AM
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I'd like to see photos of those couplers. ALL of my Roundhouse couplers, like DeVore, have curved air hoses...not like KD, but curved with a ball on the end.
The coupler on the right of the photo, from the angle, looks like an early non-magnetic KD with the vertical trip pin dropping off the end of the moveable jaw.
Dave
Originally posted by ScaleCraft - June 26 2015 : 6:35:06 PM
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Seconded: All the MDC "Automatic" couplers I've seen have the glad-hand and uncoupling pin as one piece through the center of the coupler, and the glad-hand is curved with a ball on the end (to simulate air hoses). These resemble early "K"-type Kadees made in the late 40's-early 50's with vertical trip pins--which is a LOT more unusual to find, I only have 1 pair on hand versus 7 or more pairs of MDC's.
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Posted - June 26 2015 : 7:32:32 PM
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The only reason I didn't say left side is the angle shows the top of a rivet or lift pin directly in line with the trip pin...so more photos needed.
I have a bunch of Roundhouse and DeVore couplers...my intention is to install them on my string of 13 or 14 metal Varney box and reefers...just because. I have some early trip pin KD's, some on cars I picked up.
I talked to KD once years ago, apparently there are folks who have those who need more, and are always calling KD looking for them.
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Posted - June 26 2015 : 9:54:59 PM
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Well, I found someone's vial of about a dozen spare pairs of vertical-pin KD's, but I'm not sharing And just in case, I checked yesterday and yes, MDC/Devore couplers ARE, in fact, compatible with KD's if you couple the cars with slightly more force. Of course they don't magnetically uncouple, but they operate together fine.
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Posted - June 27 2015 : 12:02:32 AM
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| KD's were originally designed to work with existing knuckles, be it Roundhouse, DeVore, or fixed. They also operated with similar (but reversed, I think) music wire uncoupling ramps.
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