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 Posted - December 26 2014 : 08:17:06 AM
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Well my new project now isn't another camelback. That can waite. These old time locomotives need a period layout to be home on. I am starting on the largest of the three shops that were in a group to the south-west in line with the roundhouse. It is the locomotive erecting shop. The year is 1890. Well this is the start of the project. Letting all interested know of what is coming.
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 08:28:32 AM
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Kool! Are you going to model any particular area?
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 1:15:19 PM
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Frank, your project reminds me of some fine photos I came across . . . these are the Denver and Rio Grande shops . . .
     
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 1:31:16 PM
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quote:Kool! Are you going to model any particular area?
Originally posted by RDC1Â -Â December 26 2014Â :Â 08:28:32 AM
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Dave like I said . I will do first the Locomotive erecting shop. In the year 1890.
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 1:34:51 PM
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quote:Frank, your project reminds me of some fine photos I came across . . . these are the Denver and Rio Grande shops . . .
Originally posted by Barry - December 26 2014 : 1:15:19 PM
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Barry. You are way to new. !890 is the time for 4-4-0 2-6-0, 0-8-0 and 2-8-0 locomotives. Not that monster articulated beast. Also the time when CRR of NJ was making its own camelbacks in those wheel arrangements.
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 1:43:01 PM
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Well here is my building layout drawing showing scale size and location referencing it to north, and the turntable.
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 1:54:25 PM
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| Thanks for straightening me out on that Frank. Though I still think it's neat to see the tools and the types of equipment they were working with. I'll have to keep my eye out for some earlier photos, so I can straighten myself out further.
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 4:50:25 PM
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* Another drawing. This is just a not scale view of the South-east wall. It faces toward the Ashley station. The rectangular part is to high. With the distance across the bottom being 90 feet the height of the rectangle should be about 24 feet.
* The personnel door seen in the right side towards the center of the wall pictured below is just a thought I had of placing a door on this wall when the only photo I had showed some kind of door there. That was from a 1950's photo. It seemed that that part of the wall was reworked and a door was added. Now the postcard of the erecting shop I first seen around a month ago shows a engine door there. This engine door though the same in appearance, is built into the south-east wall in a different way then the 6 on the south-west wall.
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 5:00:36 PM
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Here is the opposite view to the last. It is the north-west wall. closest to the blacksmith shop . The center door is one I dreamed up. There is no photo or drawing showing this wall. There is a photo which includes the far right edge of the wall showing a window in a brick panel. Of the 2 sides to this wall each with its own gable section above it, each side has 3 panels. of the 6 total panels one must have a personnel door, or some other kind of door, in it at least. In my drawing I show a grand entrance filling the 2 center panels. As I said I just made this entrance up and may make it this way.
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 5:06:29 PM
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* This is what the south-west wall looks like with its engine doors and windows and a personnel door to the far right. Their is a photo showing this detail. So this one wall of the 4 on this building will be close to correct. The other 3, well who knows? Nobody is giving me the information.
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edit 1-30-15. this wall drawing is incorrect in door style and the personnel door to the far right doesn't exist. Windows are there only. Information sent to me provided the new view. This came from a post card from the Luzern County Historical Society on line.
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 5:23:44 PM
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quote:Well here is my building layout drawing showing scale size and location referencing it to north, and the turntable.
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/tyco/forum/uploaded/toptrain/20141226134248_Ashley erecting shop and roundhouse 1890.jpg
Originally posted by toptrain - December 26 2014 : 1:43:01 PM
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Very interesting! Move the in/out track to the left side and you've got the same basic arrangement as the A&GW backshop in Meadville, PA, later used by the Erie. These were from the same general era.
http://www.fcvrrhs.org/meadville_rr_history.htm
Have you checked HABS/HAER for info? They have some very detailed information on the Meadville buildings.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/related/?&pk=pa0372.sheet.00004a&st=gallery&sb=call_number#focus
Interesting things to take away from the photos - the rather sad remnant of the shop complex was still seeing a lot of use in 1971, turning and servicing wheels and axles for the large and much newer carshop at the Meadville yards. The roundhouse is made of wood and sheathed in clapboards. I can't say I've ever seen a wooden roundhouse on a model railroad.
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Posted - December 26 2014 : 7:19:42 PM
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quote: quote:Kool! Are you going to model any particular area?
Originally posted by RDC1Â -Â December 26 2014Â :Â 08:28:32 AM
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Dave like I said . I will do first the Locomotive erecting shop. In the year 1890.
frank
Originally posted by toptrain - December 26 2014 : 1:31:16 PM
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I read it and still missed it 
This is Ashley, PA, yes?
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Posted - January 05 2015 : 8:53:11 PM
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* Rolling along I have been working a few days on the two, 90' walls. South/east and north west. The S/E will be the most detailed unless I am gifted with patience from above. The top ones are S/E and the bottom pair are to be N/W.
* All will be cut out like those already done . All of what I am doing will be seen clearly in the future . To much for me to explain.
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Posted - January 06 2015 : 08:00:14 AM
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quote:Thanks for straightening me out on that Frank. Though I still think it's neat to see the tools and the types of equipment they were working with. I'll have to keep my eye out for some earlier photos, so I can straighten myself out further.
Originally posted by Barry - December 26 2014 : 1:54:25 PM
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* Well then Barry, it seems like you just thought of a good project for yourself. A 1950's style engine house with interior and people. That is a lot more ambishes than mine is. So are you up to your own challenge.
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Posted - January 06 2015 : 08:47:14 AM
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*** Here is what I meant 2 post ago when I described what I would do.
** First make the back panel.
** Next cover one side with bricks, and glue on the overlay of Pilasters, to create the recessed panels. S/E wall, left side.
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Posted - January 06 2015 : 10:47:26 AM
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| Frank, I'm going to enjoy watching you build this. Starting out like this, you make it look easy to do a big project like that. Thanks for going through it with photos and such. I'm wanting to build some sort of single stall engine shed and I'll bet there will be some good tips for me on this thread.
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Posted - January 06 2015 : 2:37:53 PM
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** I work on the right side of the S/E wall and put the two together.
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Posted - January 07 2015 : 7:42:22 PM
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** The brick paper is almost done but for the bottom horizontal bottom part. I don't have windows or doors yet so I will move on when done to the opposite wall, the north-west wall.
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Posted - January 07 2015 : 7:55:23 PM
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** There are 6 recessed panels, three to each half. The one shown will have a engine door, like seen here. The other 5 will have windows. One in each recess. they are 4X4, doublehung, for a total of 32 lights.
* The windows on the long sides are 3' wide and are 3X4, doublehung, for a total of 24 lights each. There will be 2 evenly spaced windows in each 10' wide recess.There will be 48 lights in each recess.
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Posted - January 07 2015 : 8:03:00 PM
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Really like the look Frank. Excellent work. I'm going to be taking some notes on this construction as well.
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Posted - January 08 2015 : 8:04:40 PM
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| Yes. From looking at that brick "paper" (at least photo of it), I would not have known it was paper. Nicely applied Frank, with the pattern followed tightly against the relief.
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Posted - January 09 2015 : 1:57:54 PM
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quote:Yes. From looking at that brick "paper" (at least photo of it), I would not have known it was paper. Nicely applied Frank, with the pattern followed tightly against the relief.
Originally posted by Barry - January 08 2015 : 8:04:40 PM
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It's good looking paper. Where did you get it, Frank? Is it old Walthers paper?
I like brick paper too, and I'm glad to see it come back. I remember being rather frustrated as a teenager because nobody but Faller seemed to make it, and the Faller stuff was embossed card, very expensive and hard-to-get.
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Posted - January 09 2015 : 4:42:07 PM
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quote:
It's good looking paper. Where did you get it, Frank? Is it old Walthers paper?
I like brick paper too, and I'm glad to see it come back. I remember being rather frustrated as a teenager because nobody but Faller seemed to make it, and the Faller stuff was embossed card, very expensive and hard-to-get.
Originally posted by Autobus Prime - January 09 2015 : 1:57:54 PM[/right] [/i]
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Go find a brick wall the right color and take a picture of it. You need to find a wall without any windows. Take the photo on a clear bright day from a distance where the part of the wall that has no windows is in the center of the photo viewer. The center of a lenses has the least distortion. Take a few pictures. with the wall larger and smaller in the viewfinder. Use a tripod. experiment a little . Find out what your camera can do.
*** in the micro-Mark Winter 2015 catalog, the latest one on page 73 they show there embossed brick paper.
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Posted - January 30 2015 : 4:18:23 PM
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Photo info for erecting shop, south-east wall. looking at east corner of building to far right.
* The tender you see #479 is for one of the K1 class 4-8-0 camelback. It is the last of 51 K1's built from 1899 to 1901. This dates the photo after 1901
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Posted - January 30 2015 : 4:40:58 PM
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What engine doors and window panels should look more like.
frank
New S/E wall.
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Posted - January 30 2015 : 5:08:30 PM
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View of Ashley shops from a old postcard.
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Posted - January 30 2015 : 9:58:49 PM
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quote:View of Ashley shops from a old postcard.
frank
Originally posted by toptrain - January 30 2015 : 5:08:30 PM
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 That's a pretty dang cool find there, top. These sorts of things are why I like looking through old photos and stuff. 
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Posted - January 31 2015 : 03:05:08 AM
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Frank,
Cool project!
Barry,
Cool photos of the nuts and bolts in a steam locomotive shop.
Thanks to both of you for sharing.
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Posted - February 25 2015 : 09:51:26 AM
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I am sorry but until, because of of knee replacement, my right leg heals I wont be able to work on this project. Actually there are more them one project and repair I have to put off. I will return and complete the erecting shop. See you later.
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Posted - February 25 2015 : 2:50:40 PM
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Frank,
I am Sorry to hear you are down, I trust that the new knee will help with your quality of life once you heal. I will pray for a fast and easy recovery.
Good Luck, John
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Posted - April 24 2015 : 09:10:55 AM
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Well before I get back to this project I have a Akane 2-6-6-2 locomotive I have to repair first. I have been busy with repairs , photos and getting better. Should get back to this shop building soon.
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Posted - April 24 2015 : 1:33:19 PM
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| Looking forward to it Frank.
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Posted - August 01 2015 : 8:08:06 PM
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I've started again. After checking the 2 walls I was doing I found to many mistakes and threw them away. I had started on the long side walls. Using a new way to assemble them.
Here is where I am.
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Posted - August 01 2015 : 8:12:32 PM
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| That's a pretty good project there Frank. It's fun to watch it coming along.
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