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Posted - December 22 2014 : 04:45:54 AM
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Hello everyone, been awhile
I wanted to share this because I think for a lot of people on here who appreciate the older stuff it's pretty amazing. This is a layout located in a automotive service garage in Elderton PA (western side of Pennsylvania if you're trying to figure out generally where that is). Guy use to put up & tear down this whole thing every year. He said recently its become more permanent because setup & teardown were almost a month a piece. Whats really funny is how old fashion the layout is. At any given time I think there are enough loops to support eight trains I believe? All DC powered on a combo of brass, steel, and I believe nickle track in spots. Soak in some of the pictures I'll talk about it more down below.
First thing you see when you walk in.
Looking to the right.
On your left there is a nice little steel mill section. While a lot of the layout was done in a fanciful sort of way this section actually wasn't too bad at all.
If you move back to the right. There was the engine terminal. I've never seen anything like this. Most the locos are much older. Many have either served there time and worn through their gears, axles, or motors. Or a few were awaiting some time on the workbench in hopes of a crack at mainline service. Believe it or not the two stall structures with locomotives in them are based of prototypes that existed in the area years ago. Probably one of the few prototype things on the layout haha.
Looking across the tracks from the engine terminal. Just the sheer amount of buildings he has is staggering. Most railroads give a few buildings clustered together to represent a town. Not the case here the whole thing is packed deep with buildings. Really gives you a different feel when looking down on it.
As we continue moving to the right along the layout if you look up it gives you the idea of the vastness of the whole thing.
And finally along the backside things get a little more rural. He had some nice things back here like a trestle or two. I really liked the rock formations & the tree'd hillsides that loomed over the buildings below.
So we spoke with the owner for over a hour or so above just what it takes to run such a layout. And why it is the way it is. From a design standpoint its a tad impractical, I mean the stuff out in the middle of the layout I'm still not 100% sure out he put it out there. I laughed because on more than one occasion a train would stop/get stuck and he would say "Eh I'll get it later". I do believe he said one or two spots have access hatches but nothing major.
We asked him several questions about the locomotive "bone yard" he had and that was fascinating. He would buy cheap loco's at train shows for a few bucks and just run them. He would always have a few in reserve and they would spend time on the work bench getting their drives serviced before going on the layout for a long haul. He said it was always a issue since these trains would run for a few hours on end that you would see wear you wouldn't see otherwise. You name the manufacture and he would tell you the list of things that were usually prone to fail. His favorites are Athearn blue box. He said the prices on them of have come down dramatically, they can pull hard, and see to have the best endurance before kicking the bucket. There was a triple header of blue box FM trainsmasters running a massive 60-70 car trail around (you can see it in some of the pictures). He has a soft spot for old Marx engines and said he's had several go on to do really long stints on the layout. He said oddly enough on occasion he'll come across a old Life-like engine with the pancake drives that will really stick around. He also noticed some of those same life-like's don't seem to mind bad trackwork so he keeps them to the one track up on the mountain. He's had some friends with some more expensive stuff come down and run. He said some of them could hang for a few hours while others could not. He said a few MTH & BLI products have run there and have either had issues with the track or had a failure after awhile. That said, he told me if he can get a Rivarossi Big Boy for the right price he is going to run the wheels off it haha.
None of the engines or rolling stock have Kadee couplers. Everything is hook horn he said he's had far better luck with them for whatever reason. Recently a "serious" modeler came down and started giving him hell about the whole layout. I mean when you walk in it doesn't take a genius to figure out the layout is really more for just general looks and to make kids smile. But he said the serious guy ribbed him about how several of the vehicles were not to scale (lots of Hot Wheels and many slot cars). How few power feeders the layout had (each mainline has roughly two haha). The lack of kadee's and how it would be a improvement (I explained that already) and why he doesn't just buy better quality engines (again also explained). Pretty funny stuff. Overall the owner was really nice. Also had a lot of books with B&W photos of railroad history in the area. I could have looked over those books for hours he had a great collection.
So yea thought you guys would enjoy that!
Edited by - ChrisC on December 22 2014 08:39:02 AM
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 08:17:22 AM
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Impressive build there! Amazing how much stuff is crammed into that spot, the town is really there, not just a one-light town. Modeling is for everyone, who sez you need to have knuckle couplers on your trains, or totally scale autos? Use what you got if it's cheaper, and enjoy it! Seems like he does. Heck, Lionel guys aren't all that realistic, as their layouts are more fun than scale anyway. Tube track will NEVER be mistaken for prototype anywhere!
Thanks for posting this, I've been up near Acme / Pittsburgh area, will have to look up this place sometime. :)
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 08:23:08 AM
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That looks like a ton of fun! Thanks for sharing. Might have to hunt that place down.
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 09:18:42 AM
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Hmm see if this works. Should put you right in front of the place. I think the display is open 12:30-5 on Sat & Sunday till February 1st! https://maps.google.com/maps?q=41.176679,-79.711769&hl=en&num=1&t=h&z=20
Also it's not Elderton PA its Emlenton PA. Bit further west, above Foxburg PA. REALLY easy to get too off Route 80.
Edited by - ChrisC on December 22 2014 09:20:17 AM
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 10:45:20 AM
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well the IHC Conrail steamer does stick out like a sore thumb in those black steamers Plus this is how I will do my layout Using Hot Wheels & Matchbox cars Sides I don't blame him for using HWs &MBs Ever priced ONE exact HO car? $20 at miminum trucks & buses even worse
There is a HO school bus I wants but its like $50 or so http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=9382.25 its the 2nd row down The bus with the quad headlights
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 11:15:16 AM
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I know exactly where Emlenton is. Had family from there. Nice little town. About an hour away from me.
Thanks,
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 12:52:55 PM
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Beautiful !! Thanks for posting. That layout looks like tons of fun.
That "serious modeler" can go stick his tongue on a 12 volt track. I'm a 'rivet counter' and that layout is fine the way it is. That makes good sense (to me) what the owner of the layout is doing.
These train layouts are works of art, it's up to the artist to express himself. Unless you are under contract for a museum to build an accurate example, then who's to say how you should do it?
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 4:23:46 PM
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Look at all those vintage pieces.It's a shame a lot of them don't seem to work.Oh, and by the way, I have one of those Athearn S-12s in the same livery as the one shown at the coal mine in that shot.
-Steve
"A lot of modellers out there who go to these train shows see broken HO stuff and go, 'This is useless' when, in reality, they can still be used for modeling whether it's as a prop on your layout or a cool project to make something old new again."
Edited by - kovacste000 on December 22 2014 4:24:27 PM
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 5:04:44 PM
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Amazing to see that! No one I know except one person uses DCC. I run a mix of Kadee's and horn hooks. Horn hooks are the simplest of all. When I eventually build my HO layout, it'll be DC block control. Yes, I occasionally meet the grumpy jerks who knock on me. I laugh and say you probably did it this way before the technology became available! Only drawback to large DC block control layouts is the wiring and isolation of track. Gotta have real good electrical knowledge!
" Heck with counting 'em rivets, TRAINS ARE FOR FUN! Not called the Mad Scientist for nothing either!"
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 5:33:38 PM
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Wow - I have probably driven past that area a hundred times. How cool
I don't know what I can add to the responses. This layout speaks for itself as to what I see is the fun of our hobby. Not to say rivet counting can't be fun too! But...just have to say I loved reading the part where they brought their expensive stuff to run and it ended up a big headache. Hilarious.
And have to say too - although it is too late for me now! - those dreaded horn-hooks ARE, from the perspective of keeping trains together - very functional, and very forgiving of less-than-perfect trackwork and coupler height. I like the look of knuckles better, but I have changed my tune on ditching horn-hooks out of hand! Both types have their place.
In the bottom picture, in the lower left corner, it looks like a section of slot car track. Does he have slots running too?
http://tycodepot.com/
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 11:02:10 PM
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quote:Amazing to see that! No one I know except one person uses DCC. I run a mix of Kadee's and horn hooks. Horn hooks are the simplest of all. When I eventually build my HO layout, it'll be DC block control. Yes, I occasionally meet the grumpy jerks who knock on me. I laugh and say you probably did it this way before the technology became available! Only drawback to large DC block control layouts is the wiring and isolation of track. Gotta have real good electrical knowledge!
Originally posted by Redneck Justin - December 22 2014 : 5:04:44 PM
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Grumpity grumpity grump! I use DCC so I don't have to worry so much about wiring... or I would, if I actually had a decent-sized layout Kadees are a necessity for me though. But we must all remember to observe rule #1 of model railroading, that for every modeler, "this is MY railroad and it will be run by MY rules, whatever they may be!". (hope I got that right!)
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Posted - December 22 2014 : 11:05:21 PM
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This layout looks great, how large is it, would you estimate? I'm trying to figure out if I should drive 1 1/2 hours in potential WPA winter to see it...I think it's about that far to Emmel-ton...
Edited by - Autobus Prime on December 22 2014 11:08:30 PM
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Posted - December 23 2014 : 06:50:42 AM
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Microbuss I had to laugh at your comment about the steamer. Apparently some young kid stopped the owner once and asked him "I didn't think Conrail went back far enough to have steam engines" pretty funny haha.
quote:This layout looks great, how large is it, would you estimate? I'm trying to figure out if I should drive 1 1/2 hours in potential WPA winter to see it...I think it's about that far to Emmel-ton... Originally posted by Autobus Prime - December 22 2014 : 11:05:21 PM
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Not really sure on a size? But some of the pictures do give you the perspective from on wall to another pretty well.
Uploaded a few more pictures just to give you guys a little better idea!
Up along the back mountainside.
Triple header coming down on the left side, you can see the general size of the train in tow!
Another shot of the boneyard.
Three trains in a shot!
A lot of the structures were actually pretty nice if you get up close with them. You'll notice random kids toys strewn in amongst the buildings. This was for a "Can you find..." list that was given to kids when they walked in. Donuts!
Another parting overhead shot. You can see the lone CSX engine racing by when it wasn't stuck on a crossing in the back haha. On the back upper right you can see the Life-like F7 (Southern Pacific daylight colors) towing three cars briskly across one of the mountain tracks. In town a 3rd train has just ducked behind the red brick building.
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Posted - December 23 2014 : 10:43:22 AM
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I sees Frosty the Snowman! the donut shop is a new one from Bachmann
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Posted - December 23 2014 : 11:03:38 AM
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quote:I sees Frosty the Snowman! the donut shop is a new one from Bachmann
Originally posted by microbusss - December 23 2014 : 10:43:22 AM
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He's got a cop car at the donut shop, that's just wrong.
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Posted - December 23 2014 : 11:58:20 AM
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quote: quote:I sees Frosty the Snowman! the donut shop is a new one from Bachmann
Originally posted by microbusss - December 23 2014 : 10:43:22 AM
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He's got a cop car at the donut shop, that's just wrong.
Originally posted by NC shortlines - December 23 2014 : 11:03:38 AM
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No kidding. It appears the layout builder(s) had a sense of humor while building this layout.
-Steve
"A lot of modellers out there who go to these train shows see broken HO stuff and go, 'This is useless' when, in reality, they can still be used for modeling whether it's as a prop on your layout or a cool project to make something old new again."
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Posted - December 23 2014 : 1:25:30 PM
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quote:He's got a cop car at the donut shop, that's just wrong. Originally posted by NC shortlines - December 23 2014 : 11:03:38 AM
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That is wrong! It's creeping socialism, having the public police defending the donut shop! When I was in the capitol of El Salvador, I saw private security guards protecting a donut shop. That's the spirit of self reliance.
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Posted - December 23 2014 : 2:48:01 PM
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cop at a donut shop wrong? NAAAH but lots of police vehicles at donut shop? maybe
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Posted - December 23 2014 : 7:21:13 PM
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I--- LIKE IT that's A HECK OF A LAYOUT
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Posted - February 06 2021 : 5:01:41 PM
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Another wonderful set of photos from years ago.
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Posted - February 06 2021 : 6:48:24 PM
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Is it still there?" How far from Altoona?
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Posted - January 21 2022 : 3:30:15 PM
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"A lot of the structures were actually pretty nice if you get up close with them. You will notice random kids toys strewn in amongst the buildings. This was for a "Can you find" list that was given to kids when they walked in. Donuts!"
Tempted to go to the local Dunkin Donuts. Trying to lose weight.
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Posted - January 21 2022 : 3:37:53 PM
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Still there as of December.
https://www.butlereagle.com/20211211/train-display-continues-long-tradition/
May be open this weekend.
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