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 Posted - March 23 2014 : 10:23:29 AM
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Um, ya. I have an old Triang mail coach that has wonky wheels so it keeps derailing for that reason. I have no clue how to take the wheels out. Can you help? Here's the photos. I'll post better photos if you want me too. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.
-Steve
"A lot of modellers out there who go to these train shows see broken HO stuff and go, 'This is useless' when, in reality, they can still be used for modeling whether it's as a prop on your layout or a cool project to make something old new again."
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 Posted - March 23 2014 : 10:50:28 PM
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| I just did a Google search and this link will get you to a discussion about what some other folks are doing about this problem . . . http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8608
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Posted - March 24 2014 : 1:42:31 PM
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| In reading that discussion, it looked like the most sane thing they came up with was to not try and remove the trucks. Instead, they very carefully just replaced the wheelset(s). I've noticed on some old Mantua trucks, that someone has made a little V-opening just above the axle, I'm thinking to be able to replace the wheelset. It causes no problems when the car is resting on the wheels because the axle is up and away from the V (cut to the underside of the axle).
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Posted - March 24 2014 : 3:51:36 PM
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quote:In reading that discussion, it looked like the most sane thing they came up with was to not try and remove the trucks. Instead, they very carefully just replaced the wheelset(s). I've noticed on some old Mantua trucks, that someone has made a little V-opening just above the axle, I'm thinking to be able to replace the wheelset. It causes no problems when the car is resting on the wheels because the axle is up and away from the V (cut to the underside of the axle).
Originally posted by Barry - March 24 2014 : 1:42:31 PM
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Huh, I'll see if I can do that. Can you tell me how do to that correctly before I start doing it? I don't want to make the coach more useless than it already is. (See my top post to see why I'm saying it's pretty much useless right now.) Also, is it possible to put H0 gauge wheels into it?
-Steve
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Posted - March 24 2014 : 4:39:14 PM
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quote: quote:I've noticed on some old Mantua trucks, that someone has made a little V-opening just above the axle, I'm thinking to be able to replace the wheelset.
Originally posted by Barry - March 24 2014 : 1:42:31 PM
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Can you tell me how do to that correctly before I start doing it? Originally posted by kovacste000Â -Â March 24 2014Â :Â 3:51:36 PM
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Here's what Barry referred to:
Both the tender truck and trailing truck have the notches. The tender truck has a bottom plate and the trailing truck has a length of piano wire to hold the wheel sets in place when the engine is lifted off the tracks. Both are removable for maintenance.
I'm not so sure your Triang trucks work that way. They appear to have the axle sticking all the way through the journal box so the ends are visible. If that's so, the old trucks might not be compatible with pointy axle ends.
Does it look as if the Triang axles could be pressed all the way out of the trucks by pushing some sort of rod against the end of them. If so, it may be possible to replace the wheels on them with some other kind. For example, the plastic wheels on Athearn, Roundhouse, and Roco cars are pressed onto a steel axle. Could be that some brand of wheel would fit those axles.
Or, if Triang axles are a smaller diameter than one of those brands' axles, maybe you could find some rod the same diameter as an Athearn axle, for example, and ream the holes in the Triang trucks to fit that, then press Athearn wheels onto the rod.
I don't know how feasible these ideas are, but Ill throw them out for your consideration.
Carpe Manana!
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Posted - March 24 2014 : 7:57:06 PM
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Here's a picture of the axle of my coach if this helps you at all. Sorry if they're a little blurry, my phone doesn't focus on it very well in close up.
-Steve
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Posted - March 25 2014 : 12:34:02 PM
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| That's interesting with the piano wire security. Did you do that Don? I wonder if those Triang trucks are good to solder on? Or, hey . . . JB Weld?
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Posted - March 25 2014 : 12:37:06 PM
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| A radical repair could be to use a jewelers saw and cut out a section of the truck underframe (e.g., similar location to the V notch) and then take a small section of brass tubing and glue it in place; using the tubing as the "journal". ? ? ?
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Posted - March 25 2014 : 5:49:11 PM
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quote:That's interesting with the piano wire security. Did you do that Don?
I wonder if those Triang trucks are good to solder on? Or, hey . . . JB Weld?
Originally posted by Barry - March 25 2014 : 12:34:02 PM
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The piano wire is part of the normal design for that trailing truck (from the Mantua Hudson)
The Triang trucks look like Zamac in the pictures. I once tried to solder to Zamac and it melted before the solder did.
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Posted - March 25 2014 : 6:49:12 PM
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| OK. Yeah, I just melted a roof vent that I was trying to remove from a coach roof.
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Posted - March 25 2014 : 7:28:27 PM
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quote:OK. Yeah, I just melted a roof vent that I was trying to remove from a coach roof.
Originally posted by Barry - March 25 2014 : 6:49:12 PM
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At least you didn't ruin the actual coach itself.
-Steve
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Posted - March 27 2014 : 10:36:02 AM
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| Well Stephen, this repair sounds like a pretty good job whatever way it's done. Please show us some photos of how you actually accomplish it.
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Posted - March 27 2014 : 6:50:56 PM
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quote:Well Stephen, this repair sounds like a pretty good job whatever way it's done. Please show us some photos of how you actually accomplish it.
Originally posted by Barry - March 27 2014 : 10:36:02 AM
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What repair. I didn't state what I was gonna do.
-Steve
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Posted - March 27 2014 : 8:45:56 PM
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| I know you didn't say what you were going to do Stephen. I was just wanting to see what you did end up doing, since we all seem to run across stubborn problems at times.
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Posted - March 27 2014 : 8:53:44 PM
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i have checked all the sites i know,and all they seem to say about the older triang models,is put them on shelf for display only,sorry,but they were not the most accurate toy trains,until the later years,when hornby took them over ken
only link so far,but not very helpful
http://www.hornby.com/forums/hornby-forums/general-discussion/2907/
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