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 Posted - October 22 2013 : 11:12:15 AM
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i was told that to remove the bodyshell i had to remove the 4 screws either side of fuel tank,done,but bodyshell comes out at rear,front is refusing to,do not want to break,ideas gentlemen,ken
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 11:43:04 AM
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Is the front coupler involved in some way?
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 11:48:52 AM
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Kenneth,
On both the modern Bachmann F7 and FT model the screws are all that hold the body. My F7As have a different lighter frame, but share the same mounting scheme. I have had trouble with a screw stripping and making the body hard to remove. This mounting uses plastic shafts molded into the body shell. Not a good long term mounting solution. I am not sure what the new sound F7 fame is like. You will have to work the body shell around to clear the front coupler out of the hole in the pilot.
I am convinced that Bachmann has a group of engineers that are required to make each prodution run of a model different than the last production run. Some exploded diagrams can be found here>>http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/references_2010.php
Good Luck, John **************************
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 11:52:49 AM
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i removed that but there is still its box sticking through,ken
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 12:14:48 PM
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pull the back of the shell up and clear then move it forward to clear the coupler mount.
regards, John
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 12:16:11 PM
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tried that,it gets stuck,i do think its the coupler box that is the problem thanks ken
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 12:25:02 PM
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never had this much trouble before on bachmann shells,a real pig
a really tight fit,that coupler box is in the way
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 2:23:18 PM
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Kenneth,
The only way to remove the coupler box without breaking it is to remove the shell. The box assembly snaps into the frame, and if the shell is not off you cannot get to the release points. To remove the shell, make sure all the screws are out, Lift the back of the shell up while the front is left in position. When the back of the shell is clear [above] the frame move the shell forward until it clears the coupler pocket. This is the technique I use both for my FT and F7 units. You can remove the shell with the coupler installed by turning the shell 90 degrees so the coupler pin will clear the hole.
Hope this helps, John ******************
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 2:41:45 PM
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quote:Kenneth,
The only way to remove the coupler box without breaking it is to remove the shell. The box assembly snaps into the frame, and if the shell is not off you cannot get to the release points. To remove the shell, make sure all the screws are out, Lift the back of the shell up while the front is left in position. When the back of the shell is clear [above] the frame move the shell forward until it clears the coupler pocket. This is the technique I use both for my FT and F7 units. You can remove the shell with the coupler installed by turning the shell 90 degrees so the coupler pin will clear the hole.
Hope this helps, John ******************
Originally posted by JRG1951Â -Â October 22 2013Â :Â 2:23:18 PM
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agree with everything you say,but it will not budge,thanks ken
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 3:07:24 PM
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Ken,
I guess I'm not much help. I have not run into this before. Does the shell have the grove in the side of the fuel covers for older style fuel tank with tabs on the side. I have a few FTAs with the newer frames and the old style mounting. If that is not the case, I would try running a thin knife between the frame and the body shell down both sides to see if it is glued. Those are the only ideas I have left.
Good luck, John *******************************
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 3:36:07 PM
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hi john great info,its just this loco,see photo ken
this is as far as i can get it
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 4:14:19 PM
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I'm puzzled too! You need about another 1/2 inch up in the back to free the shell. I do not see any portholes on the shells, I wonder if these are different from their normal production shells?
A bigger hammer . When you solve this let me know how. Please!
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 5:37:57 PM
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| will do,and thanks ken
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 6:54:32 PM
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Ken,
One more idea, the units have a snap in bulb assembly that could have come loose and be down in front preventing the shell from coming up in back far enough. If this is the case then perhaps it can be poked out of the way.
Regards, John
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Posted - October 22 2013 : 7:05:44 PM
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quote:never had this much trouble before on bachmann shells,a real pig
Originally posted by catfordken - October 22 2013 : 12:25:02 PM
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I doubt that it's a pig. It's probably nothin' but a hound dog.
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| Hey Ken ask Bachman if all else fails!!
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Posted - October 23 2013 : 12:46:28 AM
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Ken,
So the rear of the loco comes loose but not free the shell from the frame?
Get it as far as it will go without breaking anything, adding NO pressure..... and then try spreading the front just a bit from side to side and see if its catching on the frame....That last picture shows no tabs tho..... that's puzzling for sure....
Second look at that last picture, try this....
You get the rear fo the frame down out of the shell as far as you can, with out breaking anything, then shove the rear of the frame in towards the nose of the shell........... as you do this, then pull down and out kind of making and "S" motion as you pull down on the whole frame, it seems as tho the frame is sticking up into the shell to far to allow it to release the front coupler box, and this is all happening due to the angle inside the shell from the frame as this frame, is a tall thing that sticks up into the shell quite far kind of like the old Atlas F units frames, OR the new Stewart F-3's that are owned by Bowser these days....
This should be just enough to make the top inside of the rear of the frame clear the rear inside of the shell and allow you to pull down and out on the front to release the coupler box.
Let us know!
~John
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Posted - October 23 2013 : 9:23:35 PM
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The shell's probably stuck on all of the fried peanut butter.
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Posted - October 24 2013 : 09:57:21 AM
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Ken, are all 4 of the shell mounting screws coming completely out of their holes?
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Posted - October 24 2013 : 10:19:20 AM
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| hi randy,all screws removed completely ken
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