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 Posted - August 19 2013 : 01:44:17 AM
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Someone put a video on this site which basically spelled out the history of cab forwards and since then I knew I had to have one. I finally got me one, but the $145 was much more that I wanted to pay.
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Posted - August 19 2013 : 01:56:37 AM
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It looks MIB. With the prices they're going for these days, I don't think that's too bad.
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Posted - August 19 2013 : 11:40:50 PM
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That's not too bad. I think I paid $100 for mine. As NP said, your loco looks minty. 
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Posted - August 20 2013 : 03:37:57 AM
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Scary to think......the last time I bought a Cabo Forwards, complete, running was $75.00 at a show, in an AHM box!!!!
That unit looks mint and should run pretty well, TAKE CARE of that coffee grinder motor and it should last a LONG time......Easy to repower tho with a good can motor to pull much better then the original at a slightly lower running speed...
NICE unit none the less!
~John
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Posted - August 20 2013 : 10:10:43 PM
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I don't know if these ever got the square coffee grinder motor. I've only seen them with ball bearing or their round can, and either of them should be fairly quiet.
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Posted - August 21 2013 : 03:13:09 AM
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Interesting, I've had 2 of them with the square coffee grinders in them, bought like that from the first owners.....BUT I was also told on both these accounts they were factory recons too!
I can't say I have had a brand new one with a coffee grinder in it! The "new" one I got..... has flywheel drive from the Model Expo era.....
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Posted - August 24 2013 : 10:05:11 AM
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Yes, they are sweet...I won't say how much I paid for mine though...would make for much undoing of soul and spirit on your part 
A bit of history for newcomers...the SP had long tunnels and snowsheds that had crews breathing thru handkerchiefs and later gas masks to avoid suffocation from the smoke, bringing about the design of this loco. At first the crews hated them because of fears of hitting oil trucks at RR crossings with the train crew in the line of fire. Dearly loved by the crews when they were retired, it was noted that not one loco ever hit an oil truck their entire career.
The deck in the center was known to crews as the "monkey porch" for the large number of hobos that would travel there. When this was discovered, they moved to the rear on the tender. The drawback was in the winter...these beasts drew water on the fly from 1/2 mile long troughs between the rails. Once full, the excess water would wash over the deck and beam, soaking the 'bos. In the sub-zero weather, the water would freeze rather quickly, freezing the 'bo to the tender beams. Because the crews were so far forward, they couldn't hear the screams of the men frozen to the back of the tender, where they would eventually freeze to death, only to be found stuck fast to the tender in the yards and service tracks later.
Over the twin stacks they installed a splitter vane to deflect the smoke chuffs to either side. Without them, the chuffing was powerful enough to pop roof boards off of the wooden snowsheds, leaving them in tatters until maintenance crews came around to replace them.
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Posted - August 24 2013 : 3:53:33 PM
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Interesting read, Shaygetz! One question, why were the crews worried about oil trucks in particular? Was it the fact that oil was flammable? It seems like if anything was going to kill you it would be the impact. 
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Posted - August 24 2013 : 5:19:56 PM
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quote:Interesting read, Shaygetz! One question, why were the crews worried about oil trucks in particular? Was it the fact that oil was flammable? It seems like if anything was going to kill you it would be the impact.
Originally posted by DaCheez - August 24 2013 : 3:53:33 PM
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It was the safety factor of having that massive boiler between you and that truck. By putting the cab in front, crews worried that hitting an oil truck...common to the areas they were run...that the flames would kill them if the impact didn't. Apparently, they weren't too concerned about hitting anything else...go figure...
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Posted - August 24 2013 : 10:50:46 PM
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I'm still thinking of those hobos. What a horrible death. How often is that supposed to have occurred?
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Posted - August 25 2013 : 08:52:23 AM
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quote:I'm still thinking of those hobos. What a horrible death. How often is that supposed to have occurred?
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â August 24 2013Â :Â 10:50:46 PM
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I got the impression from the article that it was alarmingly frequent...along the lines of several a year. I'll have to look up that old article again...
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Posted - August 25 2013 : 09:28:44 AM
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quote:GG-1, mint in box, I don't think $145 is out of line.
I wasn't really a big fan of Cab Forward locos until I read this thread. I always thought the cab forward design was an attempt to look futuristic. Now that I see that it was designed out of necessity to meet road conditions, I can of like them now.
As for the fear of hitting an oil truck, the possible ensuing fire and just the heavy mass of the truck and train and the crew being in between them was the concern, as shaygetz mentioned. This was a problem with the diesel F units. A few locomotive crews have been killed because of grade crossing accidents with vehicles. Mainly, because the front door would allow flames/fuel into the cab. This is also why the Southern Railway runs their hood units (GP9, GP38,SD..etc. ) long hood forward. They were concerned about hitting logging trucks or tanker trucks at crossing.
Originally posted by NC shortlines - August 25 2013 : 09:27:31 AM
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Unspoken expectations are premeditated failures.
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Posted - August 25 2013 : 09:37:57 AM
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| great loco gg1,i like the looks and reason they came about,as i do the big boy and challengers,none of which are a railroad i collect,got to say no sometime,unless one came my way real real cheap,ken
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Posted - August 25 2013 : 5:39:47 PM
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quote:Interesting, I've had 2 of them with the square coffee grinders in them, bought like that from the first owners.....BUT I was also told on both these accounts they were factory recons too!
I can't say I have had a brand new one with a coffee grinder in it! The "new" one I got..... has flywheel drive from the Model Expo era.....
Originally posted by EM-1Â -Â August 21 2013Â :Â 03:13:09 AM
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They were old enough, so they might have gotten all 3 types of RR motor. I was surprised to find out that the E8 got the coffee grinder at some point too, and even the Mehano 3 pole can during their partnership on that loco in the 90's. 
But back to the original point, I don't think $145 MIB is bad at all, especially given that snazzy genuine simulated walnut grain paneling.
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