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EDIT 9-17-21 BACK IN A FEW LOCATIONS.


John English and HObbyline were the same company. John English sold die cast diesel, steam locomotives and Passenger cars. HObbyline, plastic body, steam and diesel locomotives, freight and passenger cars. HObbyline sold many train sets. Present information places the number of different sets at 28 sets, with one of these set known to exist but not seen in this present time period. Mostly freight and a few passenger sets. If someone knows about it the Lloyds freight set #2, please tell us all about it. I have some of these trains and can assemble most all but one from what I have, and will post them here.
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Hobbyline sold a 0-4-0 saddel tank locomotive. It was sold in a plastic kit form as a plastic model. It was also sold as a kit with a die cast frame, and powered, able to run and pull trains. This locomotive powered a few different train set offered by HObbyline.
* A possiable kitbash of 2 of these kit into a 0-4-4-0t, 2-4-4-0t, or 2-4-4-2t locomotive.
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first the all plastic model version.


second the powered one that was sold as a kit, ready to run, and in sets.

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Also made by this company is a PRR A 0-4-0 A5 class locomotive. This was produced in a John English die cast loco, a all plastic model, and HObbyline plastic powered version. It was also released in trainsets.
The John English version was named the *YARD BIRD".
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John English, "YARD BIRD".



lower #501 has centeral valley, valve gear.

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Well I learned something today
Neat locos too
Gimmie the UP loco!
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Here is one of mine Frank!

I really like those little locos!


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my 2 john english locos not sure where these came fromken

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Nice examples Ken! I have at least one JE Mikado of my own, possibly 2. I think I may also have one Pacific as well.
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Kenny, Sean, Great additions. By the why Ken. Where'd did you get them. They look soooooo familiar. Sean, You got a good A5 there.
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I think I remember that one ...
Oh well here is a HObbyline PRR A5 the powered plastic version.

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frank all three of mine came from you,i just made one into the dm&ir ken
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OK, Went home last night and took a couple pictures of the A1's I had sitting on the shelf. ...as well as a few of the other pieces I have piled up on there...








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quote:
frank all three of mine came from you,i just made one into the dm&ir ken

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I remember. I was just playin. Whats it look like?
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* Here is another PRR A5 by HObbyline. I replaced the missing headlight, and it doesn't have a main rod on this side.
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Here is another one that is complete. A John English metal A5 also.


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Are those Fairmount Putt-Putt cars HO scale?
Always did want one in 1:1 scale
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* Now getting away for the 0-4-0. Here is a HObbyline Diesel. I have this in 6 roadnames. The first is HObbyline it self. HObbyline #1000.



Edit 11-13-20.

An H12-44 I re-lettered for ATSF #1070. Road and number are correct for set # 416 The Prospector.

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The second is Pennsylvania Railroad #1000 also.


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The next is Central of New Jersey. This one I have painted. Also if you notice, I used a Athearn SW1500 drive. I have repowered this one.
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* This one is the B&O version by HObbyline. LV and NYC to come.


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Now also an original C&O H12-44 with a lot of play wear showing.
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Here is the Lehigh valley FM H-12-44.


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This is my New York Central. Like the CNJ I painted this also.

I have a picture of a C&O FM H-12-44 by HObbyline but the photo isn't mine. I will not post it. And in the remembering file, I have seen A Yellow UP, FM, H-10-44 also. I have since acquired 2 C&O FM H12-44 locos.




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Top- I have a question. In this photo, fireman's side, between the frame and the vertical air tank under the cab......is that screw for a specific purpose?

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Dave; It looks like a screw that the motor magnet my have picked up.
Well I left the 0-4-0s behind, and started on diesels, you proably didn't notice, but I will give you some info. You see DC motors, the kind used in DC locomotives, have pernament magnets that can attract ferrous metals like steel screws. It must have picked up a screw. Is that what you are looking for?
* Is there something else like to ask lke, why no valve gear. Or what happened to the handrails, maybe is there coal in the tender bunker, for at this angle you cant tell. Does the light work. Or what the big can under the cab is. There is always, why is it so shinny. I like the one where it is asked . " Why did you take the picture of that side. This realy has so much to do with people searching the net for good info and photos on HObbyline and John English trains. Looking for photos on a certain car or loco. the ones I am trying to place or get put here by others. They see what we are talking about and go away never to return, listing this forum as a waste of time.

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Handrails are easy, valve gear was an option (mine doesn't have it either). Looked like a brass screw, I thought maybe it was used to hold the boiler up if the attachment at the rear was broken, is all.
Looks intact..no broken steps on pilot or tender.
My uncle bought his new, I inherited it from third owner, sat in my sock drawer for 40 years, one of those round-tuit jobs.
Side and main rods had crumbled before I got it...finally found some...I could have made brass ones, but wanted original style ones.
Wasn't picking on you, and it's a little hard to read your body language in your post.
I always make mine something other than flat Floquil engine black if I have a choice.
Threw out my Dullcote decades ago...yellows, cracks, and not impervious to water.
I use Krylon satin clear now.
I've always had a soft spot in my head for those engines.
As stated, just didn't know if it was there to hold the back of the boiler up or not.

As you can see, valve gear not covered in the instructions. Someday I'll find some.
I do like the tender trucks. Different than mine...they make it look more..."substantial".
Oh, and I do apologize. I saw this in the post right after the 0-4-0's "Now getting away for the 0-4-0", and thought that was just for the purpose of moving to photos of the diseasemals. I had no idea you'd gotten fully away from steam.
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* Let's see this thread started with a first post on the description of the purpose of this topic. I followed it up with a 2 photos in a post for 0-4-0t saddle tank type locomotives . A start. The third post I did on 0-4-0 switcher kit built locos by John English. it included 3 photos in one post. I waited to see how it would go. The Buss followed almost 2 hours later with a positive post of something learned and a last gime gime something. the next morning Sean posted a photo of his Signal number 4, a John English A5 with full valve gear and some additional railings, showing what a little extra work can do. Kenny , catfordken , followed minutes later with a 6 picture co loge on the John English mikado. Nice work. A hour latter Sean entered a post responding to Ken. Two hours latter I put in the picture with the screw loco. This topic was doing OK! Same day Kenny came back with a 2 photo look at a splendid John English PRR A5. I followed a hour latter with a HObbyline factory ready to PRR A5. Maybe a set loco. Kenny responded in three hours. Three hours latter Sean is back with a 3 photo spread showing many different trains centered around 3 other John English PRR A5's. then I responded to Ken following with a second post showing a top bottom 2 photo look at both a HObbyline and John English PRR A5 so the differences could be noted. The thread went to sleep for 3 days, and then back is the Buss with something about Fairmount put puts. I think they are they mine locos seen in one of Sean's photos. i followed that up today with 6 posts all with a photo each on the diesel H-10-44's of Hobbyline. Then Dave asked me about a screw in the side of a loco. I responded possibly a little harshly. We still have the John English 4-6-2 Pacific to cover and the HObbyline plastic FA1 locomotives, and die cast John English FA1 locomotives. Then a lot of different cars and maybe some sets. Still a lot to go. Dave responded minutes ago with some info and maybe a promiss of a look at his PRR A5.
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I have the loco out...that photo is too small. I'll get another.
I like English stuff. Followed by Varney.
I have only the one English anymore. Couple of PennLines.
Whole raft of Varneys.

Once we got the Yardbird sorted out, it runs very well.
Can you tell me more about the trucks on the tender?
I think I'd like to find me some of those.
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Couple of better shots.
The lettering was done....40 or so years ago with individual dry transfers. I have decals now, going to re-do them, just for drill.

Since there are Hobbylines in this thread, here is my powered one. Have a couple of kit styles stored away.
and a slightly out-of-focus shot I took about 3-1/2 years ago when I got the Hobbyline.
Dave

(edit: I know where the Hobbyline came from, and it, like all the other locos in that batch, are painted olive drab on boilers. Not quite GN Green....haven't figured that out yet)

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::: Thanks for sharing Dave, nice photos and info.

Going back a little to Monday the 29th 2 days ago around 5 PM I posted 6 photos of HObbyline H-10-44's. 4 were factory painted and 2 were custom painted. Posts kept coming in on the PRR A5's. So now back to the Lowery styled switcher. I covered the 6 locos that I have. I have a photo of a C&O factory painted one, and have seen a all Yellow UP version. The drive is a standard HObbyline design using the same parts as HObbyline's FA1. Here is a photo of the drive.
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PS a little fuzzy and will be replaced when I get a clear one.


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The next 2 a New Haven box car


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Number 3 box is a TP&W .


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The fourth box car is the " FRISCO " !


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Here is a my 5th box car. Nickel Plate Road.



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* The next 3 are all original with HObbyline trucks and couplers.
A GAEX box car.


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The next all original is the ,
" Delaware Lackawanna and Western Railroad"


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My third all original box car is a second Frisco. I am posting this to show that it was spray painted with the door a little open. Quality control missed this one.
* That is the only 8 box cars by HObbyline I have.


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Sean' Yes it is a HObbyline tank car. Also an important thing about is, it is a Ready to Run car and not made from a kit. The car was released in1956 and is seen in the retail catalog for that year. The dealer's catalog for 1956 has no photo or drawing of the car but on page 7 in the loco and car index tank car #7044 DU Pont is listed for $2.95.

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Continuing on with freight cars here is the 40' gondola. I have 11 different road names.
* Top to Bottom.
ACL 93271 in blue. Atlantic Coast Line.
Lehigh New England, LNE 3758 in gray.
P&LE (NYC) 12692 in red. Pittsburgh and Lake Erie.
PRR 358281 in red.
Union Switch and Signal 3758 in black.
Wabash WAB 145 in black.
ERIE 45268 in black.
HObbyline HO 1297 in yellow.
DSS&A 4090, in brown. Duluth South Shore and Atlantic.
NKP 45608 in green. Nickel Plate Line.
Western Maryland 37259 in red.
V-463


Here is another HObbyline gondola with silk screened lettering. Got this 3-2-14 JCHS Mother Seaton Clark NJ train show.

Lettered for the DSS&A railway. Duluth South Shore and Atlantic, a Lake Superior, pioneer, iron oar hauler.


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I think this tank car is a HObbyline Frank:




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Sean; yes it is a HObbyline tank car.

** A second post on the Gondola car is a photo of a HObbyline box label for a Gondola car.


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I think this tank car is a HObbyline Frank:

Originally posted by Mustangs_n_Trains - May 28 2013 :  5:18:24 PM



Hi Sean ; Yep it is HObbyline. It is different, that they put weight in the trucks like you show. Only HObbyline did that. I have a few tank cars to post latter on.
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Some other tank car kits.

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Got this for my G+D #42 project. John Allan used parts from this kit.

FRANK: I love that H-10-44 styled by "Raymond Loewy" ! - Erich


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Hi Sean ; Yep it is HObbyline. It is different, that they put weight in the trucks like you show. Only HObbyline did that. I have a few tank cars to post latter on.
frank



I have several Hobbyline cars, some since new. Were the tank cars the only ones with weights in the trucks? I am thinking specifically of a boxcar, do not recall weighted trucks.
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About the trucks. HObbyline trucks had that weight in the center. All the kits I got recently had no trucks in with them. Must have been removed from kit.
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* Here is a Hobbyline tank car.
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I think this tank car is a HObbyline Frank:





Originally posted by Mustangs_n_Trains - May 28 2013 :  5:18:24 PM



Sean, Hi sorry I'm late. That most definitely is a HObbyline tank car. And in great shape. Looks new. Not bad for 1956 for when it was released.
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Here is the Baby Ruth candy tank car missing the decals that says Baby Ruth. Someone scratch out the word America. I guess this car is in line for a re-detailing.
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One of those 0-4-0 Yardbird PRR switcher locomotives (with tender) was actually featured on one of my favorite Gumby episodes, "Toy Crazy" (a.k.a. "Toy Joy!")
no video anymore
The train is first seen at 3:55, then appears again at 7:23. Since Gumby is known to be surreal, this train has a mind of its own and can go anywhere, carrying its tracks wherever it goes!
Other good stuff appearing in the episode include a Marx train Gumby skates past, a Marx railroad crossing flasher when Gumby and Pokey stop for the HO train, and a Tonka Rescue Squad van (complete with the official Civil Defense logo) Gumby uses to try and take the train home as his birthday present of choice! All from 1956!

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I watch those Gumby shows & I'm amazed that the toys they used then are collectable now!
Will look for HObbyland at the show the 30th
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hi wiley209 great video,never seen gumby before ken
my only hobbyline loco,(thanks frank)


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* I guess it is time to post photos of the John English Pacific. It is a straight USRA light type of engine. Its linage goes back to about the start of world war one. The only ones I have I've done for the Reading Railroad.
* Lionel purchased the die from this company back in 1957. Almost everything the John English companies made was copied in one way or another by Lionel. A noted exception was the FM Lowery H-10-44. No Lionel model was made of this engine. It used the same drive as the HObbyline FA1 A and B.
* here are my John English Pacifics.


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Lionel obtain the bulk of the John English (Hobbyline) tooling. Penn Line purchased the streamline and standard passengner car dies, as well as the consolidation steam locomotive tooling.
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my 2 john english locos not sure where these came fromken



Originally posted by catfordken - April 18 2013 :  09:52:24 AM

I actually saw some of those at a show a while back (or was it a Pacific, but it was for sure John English, it had that same box) as a mostly complete kit for about $60.Should I have grabbed it?

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