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 Posted - March 04 2013 : 9:26:35 PM
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I have been trying to acquire one of the rare 630's issued in the Sears Tyco trains sold in the early 70's for my collection - Just recently - several have been on Ebay and the most recent was in the box - I was first bidder and placed a very high bid and at last minute - the bidder i was against all of a sudden jumped from his 24.99 bid -in which i was in the lead still as my bid was much higher - to an insane amount - final price - 96.99 - Really - I feel like this guy had some knowledge of my bid through some means because of the way it went - and this is not the first auction recently this is happened to where i put a very high bid in and at last minute - goes to what seems an impossible amount to beat. every time i went higher the bid just kept going higher for winner - knowing that he could have entered a crazy bid at last minute -seems very unlikely though for it to keep happening - Anyone else feel this is happened to them - I know there was a post a couple of years back on a seller that many had thought he had a schill bidder - This engine started at $9.99
Edited by - Brianstyco on March 04 2013 9:54:47 PM
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Posted - March 04 2013 : 9:42:31 PM
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Well eBay auto-bids based on the maximum amount you put in, right? It sounds like that guy just bid a high amount to start off with. Or did I misunderstand the question? 
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Posted - March 04 2013 : 9:43:10 PM
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quote:| just checked the bidders history - low number of purchases and has had 3 bid cancellations / retractions in last 6 months.... mmmm |
That part does sound a little fishy 
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Posted - March 04 2013 : 10:41:33 PM
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If there is something I "really want" on Ebay, I don't bid during the auction at all. I put in a high price SNIPE bid with 3 seconds left in the auction.
This eliminates other bidders running the price up during the auction.
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Posted - March 04 2013 : 11:09:40 PM
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Could be a shill bidder - someone bidding on behalf of the seller trying to figure out how high the item might sell for.
I once had a situation where I was the second highest bidder and the seller came back to me and asked if I wanted it. He said that the high bidder apologized but was a military vet that just had an accident and was in the hospital and blah blah blah couldn't afford it anymore.
Needless to say, I declined.
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Posted - March 04 2013 : 11:35:38 PM
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I wait until to last second to bid! I've noticed the once cheap C-630's and 2-8-0's are going crazy high. I just want 2 more Super 630's, just ain't gonna pay crazy money for 2 more to complete my collection!
" Heck with counting 'em rivets, TRAINS ARE FOR FUN! Not called the Mad Scientist for nothing either!"
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Posted - March 05 2013 : 10:22:00 AM
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Gentlemen, please!
Brianstyco has a valid point about the mechanism of bidding on Ebay, as
similar things have happened to me on items at much lower $$$ pain thresholds.
For me, a bid on a sort-of rare box car started at a very low offer amount,
about $5.00 and sat with one bid (mine) at $5.75 for virtually all of the offer period.
Then, as I watched the clock countdown on the final half-hour, another bid came in at
$ 18.00 and took the item, all within the last minute of the process.
I am no whiz bang on bidding, and it seems though, that some bidding events on items are nothing more than games for others. I am sure Brian wanted that model, as I wanted the rare box car, but the process seems more gimmick-laden than straightforward.
Let's be reasonable with each other- if it is a fact that there is a gaming aspect to the bidding process (and the winner subsequently defaults on payment), then perhaps the system should be tightened up to ensure more honesty.
What Brian (and others of us) experienced takes the fun out of participating in auctions and makes attending a swap meet more meaningful.
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Posted - March 05 2013 : 1:46:32 PM
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Sorry I over reacted too.
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Posted - March 05 2013 : 2:51:31 PM
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So Bryan, are you just looking for an ICG 630 in general or is there something special about the one that Sears offered? I just had 2 of them here in my shop. I can try and snag you one.
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Posted - March 05 2013 : 3:21:32 PM
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Brianstyco, I am very sorry for my comments and I have removed them. I felt like I was getting attacked for my purchase, but maybe I jumped the gun. I am very sorry if I offended you or anyone on the forum.
GG-1 Guy!
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Posted - March 05 2013 : 4:15:27 PM
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quote:Brianstyco, I am very sorry for my comments and I have removed them. I felt like I was getting attacked for my purchase, but maybe I jumped the gun. I am very sorry if I offended you or anyone on the forum.
GG-1 Guy!
Originally posted by GG-1 Guy - March 05 2013 : 3:21:32 PM
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First - Thank you - i too have removed a few of the comments posted - Apology Accepted and No hard feelings towards you - I do look forward to you posting pictures of that loco as it is a very pristine example that you don't see often listed - JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS - EVERYTHING IS COOL BETWEEN GG1 AND I
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Posted - March 05 2013 : 4:18:41 PM
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quote:So Bryan, are you just looking for an ICG 630 in general or is there something special about the one that Sears offered? I just had 2 of them here in my shop. I can try and snag you one.
Originally posted by rbturner - March 05 2013 : 2:51:31 PM
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Hi - this particular version has the Rivarossi power chassis which has the black trucks - not the silver power torque trucks - Thank you for offering
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Posted - March 05 2013 : 6:07:13 PM
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BRIANSTYCO, I was soo impressed, but not surprised, of your more than kind reply to GG-1 earlier today...
Brian has always be a class member...
GG-1.. It was a class act for you to remove the comments to Brian... Thank You!
Very nice to see an unfortunate issue, solved so quickly... The Tyco forum is made of good people... The only forum of it's kind...
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Posted - March 05 2013 : 8:25:26 PM
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| Yea, I'm usually a cool headed person, but it's over. I I knew I wanted that train because it looked to be in great condition for a Rivarossi/TYCO Super 630.
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Posted - March 05 2013 : 11:19:49 PM
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Same crap applies to Lionel and Marx ebay auctions, uh why is it sooo hard to win tinplate diesels!!!???
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Posted - March 06 2013 : 2:30:08 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by rbturner - March 05 2013 : 2:51:31 PM
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Hi - this particular version has the Rivarossi power chassis which has the black trucks - not the silver power torque trucks - Thank you for offering
Originally posted by Brianstyco - March 05 2013 : 4:18:41 PM
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I got "lucky" with my 630, well I thought. Yeah I got a great price but the first test run found out the motor is cooked, all the universals were cracked....definite rebuild project!
just me Ray... and just because I have Tyco doesn't mean I am not a model railroader
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Posted - March 06 2013 : 7:49:58 PM
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In my opinion, there's always someone willing to go just a "tad" bit higher than me when bidding, and with the Ebay 1-click bidding system and snipers everywhere, you either pay the insane price to ensure you get it, or you don't. It's only a shill game if the seller keeps relisting the item again and again, claiming the Buyer backed out. Those are really few and far between, but if there's a hard-to-find item and I lose the bid, I will watch the Seller and see if he re-lists the item to see if it was a con or not. Usually not. Seems like there's more people willing to pay higher prices on certain items now than 5-6 years ago, and if you really want it, you'll have to either pay the price, or find it at a local show. I've seen the Roundhouse Boxcabs sell for $25 or less 6 years ago, now you see them sell for over $50 regularly, and BIN priced from 99-150 bucks.   I've bought those same ones at train shows for 15 to 20, although haven't seen any lately. Since the Athearn-based Tyco diesel is probably sought-after now due to the Athearn part, you will probably have to find one at a show, or bite the ammo and pay the huge price to get one, OR just get lucky in junk lot sales ( I've bought more than one gem through just randomly searching HO train lot sales, and finding the occasional sought-after piece and getting the whole lot for less than the single piece itself would sell for ). Sorry for your last-second bad luck, but it's pretty frequent with the Sniping software and 1-click bidding, so unless the Seller re-lists the item, it was probably a legit sale and a determined bidder with more money than you. Just keep trying, eventually the high bidders will have bought their share, and you might win one with less effort and money.
Jerry
BIN there, Bid that, won and lost....
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Posted - March 07 2013 : 7:41:37 PM
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| also, WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THE ROYAL BLUE, people should be more concerned with the Gulf Mobil and Ohio 2-8-0 consolidation, or the canadian pacific 0-8-0. The ones I see are either just an auction, or it doesnt work, or its just a caboose
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 Posted - March 07 2013 : 7:43:15 PM
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| and just as a random thing, i was on the winning end of an auction like this, except it was for a chattanooga 0-8-0, i beat the other person by 50 cents
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Posted - April 13 2013 : 5:47:53 PM
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quote:If there is something I "really want" on Ebay, I don't bid during the auction at all. I put in a high price SNIPE bid with 3 seconds left in the auction.
This eliminates other bidders running the price up during the auction.
Originally posted by walt - March 04 2013 : 10:41:33 PM
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Walt, unfortunately I do the same thing. I found out the hard way that bidding early seems to "attract" other bidders. At "0" bids and 30 minutes left I start watching closely. I've picked up some very nice rolling stock for about $5 and a couple of old Tyco locos for under $10.
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Posted - April 13 2013 : 7:30:07 PM
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Yeah, smac61, that seems to be the best way to at least attempt keeping the price under control... New bidders are the worst, they'll keep raising the bid everytime.
Sometimes I will put in one small opening bid, always less than half of my final bid amount.
I use "BIDNIP" service to do my snipe bidding with only 3 seconds left in the auction... But it makes it possiblr for me not even to be close to a computer and the bid still gets made... It costs 69 cents to snipe a bid (pay only if you win the auction) I know there is other bidding sites cheaper but I've used this one and I'm satisfied with the 69 cent fee...it's worth that for me not having to mess with it! 
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Posted - April 16 2013 : 07:22:04 AM
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| I've read somewhere that if you place a bid early, it actually raises the item's visibility in "best match" searches.
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Posted - April 16 2013 : 7:33:08 PM
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| I have had bad luck on Ebay with both HO and N scale stuff. I would bid early (like 6 days before the end) and I would be the high bidder up until literally 5 seconds before it ends and someone snipes me. I generally only do buy it nows (because sometimes they are actually cheaper). I only bid if it is something I really really want that I can't find at shows, etc. Even then I don't bid until the last moment. I have noticed that even tyco parts units go for pretty decent money now though! Even the rolling stock prices are up.
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