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http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/ahmhoscalelocomotives/id79.html
This page needs some correction.
AHM offered two distinctly different 0-4-0 steam engines with tender. The first version, which came out in the early 1960s, is a Rivarossi model and based on the B&O prototype - in fact, the Docksider is the same engine in saddle tank configuration. This engine itself exists in two variations, one with full valve gear and one with none.
At some point in the 1970s they apparently couldn't offer this one any longer and it was replaced by an entirely different engine. The most obvious spotting difference is it has an oil headlight. This new engine I'd have to examine to be sure of who/where it was made, but it was likely Lima or Mehano given the similiarities in paint scheme for the Southern Pacific with that on the light Pacific and Mikado.
These engines came in a bunch of roadnames beyond what's listed even in the ad shown on the page. I've also run across a green Canadian National, black New York Central, and I had one as a kid that was either a Southern in green or Canadian Paciific in maroon. It would appear there are two different B&O schemes, too, since the one in the ad differs from the one illustrated on the page.
The kicker, of course, is the blue Conrail engine.
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Posted - February 28 2013 : 05:09:49 AM
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The second loco is the Mehano Pennsy A3, which he has on a separate page:
http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/ahmhoscalelocomotives/id87.html
I'm surprised he posted those A3 pictures on the Rivarossi page. Hopefully he'll correct it soon, since enough people have a problem distinguishing Rivarossi products from Mehano already.
The Riv B&O shifter & Dockside were available up until the end of AHM. The A3 was just an addition to the AHM line in the 70's, but it was also sold by Life Like and Model Power.
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Posted - February 28 2013 : 07:55:52 AM
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The boiler front end sides also have a little circle/builder plate... molded with "RR" "AHM" or just blank.
I have a Varney "V", Rivarossi "RR" full valve-gear, and Rivarossi "blank" with simple drive-rod assembly.
The two Rivarossi's are also marked "Baltimore And Ohio" w/fvg, and a plain "B & O" has the simple drive-rods.
My Varney has an actual electric light bulb that still works. The two RR's, only divots that need a jewel or aluminum foil balled up and stuck in.
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Posted - February 28 2013 : 5:15:52 PM
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It's rough, but the builder's plate on the A3 says "A3s" in the center, with "Juniata Shops" above it, and "3-1906 1232" below. Not bad for the era. 
Here's the Pennsy prototype.
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Posted - February 28 2013 : 11:16:56 PM
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THat page didn't seem to be linked on the main page. But it's up above because they're listed alphabetically.
My humble suggestion would be to list all steam engines by wheel arrangement first.
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Posted - March 01 2013 : 09:51:31 AM
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I have the Rivarossi A3, 0-4-0, in the SP Daylight scheme. Is this a particularly collectable version?
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Posted - March 01 2013 : 3:29:02 PM
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The Daylight version may be collectible... certain fantasy schemes seem to be going that direction, as I just saw one go for over $50. The A3 is Mehano, though.
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Posted - March 01 2013 : 9:19:29 PM
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quote:The Daylight version may be collectible... certain fantasy schemes seem to be going that direction, as I just saw one go for over $50. The A3 is Mehano, though.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â March 01 2013Â :Â 3:29:02 PM
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Right you are about Mehano. I just looked at my loco. The other 0-4-0 I have is Riva. It's got a bigger boiler and cab. I get them mixed up, just as lvrr325 was intimating at the start of this thread.
I think we may have seen the same auction, The SP A3 went for $56 but, it did have the box.
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Posted - March 01 2013 : 10:51:12 PM
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I had one in my show stuff and just let it go to a guy who's going to paint it. Couldn't get $25 and it ran real nice.
I have a Conrail in the box also, a lot of looks, no interest.
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Posted - October 19 2013 : 8:12:01 PM
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My AHM 0-4-0 looks more like a B&O, with valve gear. Cute little guy.
The original box is in great shape too.
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Posted - October 19 2013 : 8:23:26 PM
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quote:My AHM 0-4-0 looks more like a B&O, with valve gear. Cute little guy.
The original box is in great shape too.
Originally posted by Dan Vincent - October 19 2013 : 8:12:01 PM
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Dan,
And you would be right! That IS a B&O prototype 0-4-0.... Just like the "Dockside" its also a 'Rossi B&O prototype.....
I don't think the UP EVER had one that looked anything like the B&O's.....Same goes for the Dockside, Pennsy had them too, BUT again, I don't think they ever looked anything like the B&O's model in real life.....
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Posted - October 19 2013 : 9:30:51 PM
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Seems to me if you kept the locos small, a pretty compact HO layout could be made with this B&O 0-4-0, a Dockside and a Mantua Goat.
Maybe a mine operation to use small ore cars and these cute little buggers.
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Posted - October 19 2013 : 9:55:05 PM
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Here's mine, a Conrail version. I got it not unreasonable, off Ebay, the tender is missing one truck. Looks nice next to my Conrail GG1 on top of one of my display cabinets.
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Posted - October 19 2013 : 10:36:40 PM
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That's a really good foobie,but I always did like the Conrail version!
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Posted - October 19 2013 : 11:44:46 PM
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I owned 2. My daylight one was a mess but supplied great parts to multiple projects!! My Conrail one started off as a $10 mess I bought off ebay. Wheels were some of the dirtiest I've ever seen. Took 15 minutes to fully clean the wheels and contacts then I zapped custom made valve seat covers out of wood to the cylinders/ Turns out zap had leaked into the cylinders and froze the passage. So I had to remove the cylinders, stick a nail in the passage and tap it through the passage with a hammer. Once that was cleared it was assembled again and it wouldn't move....a wire had broke off from its contact on the motor. So I fixed the wire and soldered it back on and THEN it was running good! also replaced the fireman side handrail
And I just say when they do get up and running and are pulling a little weight, they run like a dream!
Mine may have been a pain to get running but it was worth it!
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Posted - October 20 2013 : 03:06:45 AM
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Those Conrail units... Model Power?
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Posted - October 20 2013 : 4:30:37 PM
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Thought AHM. Didn't most model power ones have the "puff of smoke" feature? How did that work out....?
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Posted - October 20 2013 : 6:06:00 PM
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quote:Those Conrail units... Model Power?
Originally posted by EM-1Â -Â October 20 2013Â :Â 03:06:45 AM
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No, mine has RSO on the bottom, likely AHM sold it.
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Posted - October 21 2013 : 12:18:56 AM
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Nope you guys RSO also made Model Power steamers hence the 4-6-2 that's Model Power that's IDENTICAL to the IHC models of the early days of IHC.....
Was a source of road names on the same "looking" locomotive, BUT sold under 2 different names....The 2 importers couldn't sell the same thing under 2 separate names due to copyright infringement, and patent rights.
Same goes for this 0-4-0, the tender of the Conrail unit is familiar, I had one and it was in fact a Model Power, release.....
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Posted - October 21 2013 : 12:21:38 AM
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here ya go.....
Model Power....
Notice, it was ALSO offered in B&O......... AND its a Pennsy model, NOT a B&O model the B&O model is the 'Rossi 0-4-0 See:
I don't think IHC EVER offered the A-3.....It was only Model Power! As the 0-4-0 from IHC was a "copy" of the 'Rossi model that was dropped from their offerings in the early 1990's I do believe! 
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Posted - October 21 2013 : 06:32:15 AM
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OK, I already have the C-16a B&O type but this little A-3 is growing on me.
Does anyone have a side by side picture of these two?
Now I can see there are at least four little 0-4-0 switchers I'd like to have.
The Dockside and Mantua Goat are the other two.
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Posted - October 21 2013 : 2:41:38 PM
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Dan I hate to confuse things.... BUT, there is a number of 0-4-0's made, Mantua, TYCO, Bachmann, Life-Like, Rivarossi, Model Power, IHC, Bowser, John English, Varney, MOST BRASS companies.
Some more expensive then others, but.....neat little yard guys tho... I myself, stick in or around the B&O models as I am a B&O modeler anyway.....BUT the others are nicely done and can be made into runners if done right on their interiors.....
ALSO, remember, you can get into the 0-6-0 wheel configuration too! aloto f those as well! Rivarossi, AHM, IHC, Bachmann, Life-Like, Proto-2000, GAWD the list goes on and on with these small to medium size steam switchers.....
That Mantua "Goat" you mentioned, the 0-4-0? Mantua also made the 0-6-0 "Goat" as well! BOTH Camelbacks! I have one of each!
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Posted - October 21 2013 : 9:35:13 PM
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Yes, there are a lot of copies of the old Varney "Little Joe" Dockside loco and others too.
The Mantua "Goat" camelback is my favorite in both 0-4-0 and 0-6-0. The Dockside is my next favorite and then the rest.
No doubt the 0-6-0 locos will run smoother and pull better but the little 0-4-0 locos have a lot of charm and the "Cuteness" factor.
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Posted - October 21 2013 : 10:48:52 PM
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Dan,
I agree, as the "Goat" Camelbacks are my ALL TIME favorites, like you closely followed by the Docksiders and then then rest follow that.....The 2 Goats I have, have serious amounts of run time on them.....And I literally mean serious amounts thousands of hours....I bought both new in and around 1989-1990, and they have run at Christmas displays, none stop, Under the Tree Service, for years, "UTTS" and then displays of places, I used to do routine maintenance on....run days and nights on end, non-stop use....AND the 0-4-0...... proves Mantua to me....That thing, in its worst condition, no time to really "re-do" the lubrication....and IT still runs. I really need to re-do all the maintenance on it but...... haven't and I don't want to kill it either but it does say something. 5 years worth of lack of maintenance, still runs strong, and is noise free! That's a Mantua!!!!!! And yeah, I am proud of it!!
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Posted - October 23 2013 : 9:48:46 PM
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John, you're right, the Mehano A3 never made it into the IHC line, which is a shame because it could easily be powered by the small Mabuchi can they used in their small steamers. I even retrofit one of my A3's with that motor, and it runs very nicely. They could have improved the gearing as well, making the axle gear the larger one.
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Posted - October 23 2013 : 10:46:54 PM
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Nelson,
Agreed! The A-3 could have seriously benefitted from the RSO model making it into the IHC line......they would have used the same motors IHC had been using at the time which as you said would have made it simple to repower with pretty much ANY can motor that would fit in the space, provided.
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Posted - October 24 2013 : 02:40:26 AM
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| RSO and Mehano are the same thing. One name is like the corporate successor to the other one.
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Posted - October 24 2013 : 02:48:11 AM
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Yep. They also went under the name Tempo.
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Posted - October 24 2013 : 04:13:14 AM
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Well why didn't the Model Power years of RSO get to do a A-3 0-4-0 in the IHC years to the Mehano if they RSO and Mehano is one and the same?
Just a design that didn't sell well and they dropped it?
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Posted - October 24 2013 : 07:21:56 AM
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One of my biggest complaints about these little gems is the oversized flanges.
I know NWSL makes new drivers and even can motor conversions but trying to figure out whet i need is more trouble than it's worth.
I wish NWSL would revise their catalogue to show available upgrades by the Mfr and model.
For instance; Upgrades for AHM C-16a 0-4-0, and another for AHM A-3 0-4-0 and then do a separate listing for knock-offs.
Same thing for all of the Varney Dockside 0-4-0 plus copies by Bachmann, Lifelike and the rest.
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Posted - October 25 2013 : 01:24:43 AM
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Dan, to my knowledge, NWSL doesn't make replacement drivers, but does have a re-gear kit for the Rivarossi C-16a. The Mehano A-3 already has RP25 drivers, and it can be fitted with a small can without too much trouble.
John, no idea, but it's possible the molds were destroyed.
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Posted - October 25 2013 : 01:41:45 AM
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| Who knows, maybe the tooling was damaged somehow, maybe they couldn't rework it to use the new motors the later line seemed to favor. Maybe they never got to it before they went bankrupt.
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Posted - October 25 2013 : 1:47:40 PM
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I'm not sure of how the reworking may have went on the A-3, BUT if they had used a gearbox type set up on the axle of the FRONT driver, which would have lengthened the drive shaft ability, this would have allowed the use of a can motor of todays standard. BUT the gearbox doesn't or would not have to be like those used in brass, (higher cost to make) BUT a gearbox like that of an Mehano 2-8-2, or 4-6-2 would have been nice........
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Posted - October 25 2013 : 3:10:24 PM
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Here's my B&O A-3 with the little Mabuchi can Mehano used for small steam (4-4-0, 2-6-0, etc.) shoehorned into the cab.
To power the front drivers would take a very slim high end motor unlike anything they used, and would rob the boiler of lead. They might have been able to lower the motor in the cab a bit by retooling.
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Posted - October 25 2013 : 4:00:56 PM
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Why couldn't they have used a gear box on the front driver axle to point to the rear as it does and have the motor facing the same way just have the 2 shafts one from the gearbox and one from the motor, meet? I don't think it take a smaller motor, I think it be a redesigning of the gear transfer to the other axle as the power is now, to the rear most driver.....
The gearbox for the most part, would be under the boiler pointing at an angle towards the tender.....
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