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 Posted - November 19 2012 : 6:46:56 PM
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This is a picture from a listing on ebay, found here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360509687326
I'm interested in the unit for parts in the rebuild of my AHM RS-2, which has a vertical motor on the single rear truck (in the cab) which has begun to overheat, smoke and otherwise indicate an innevitable electrical problem (fire). I'm curious to know if this shot, or any shot on the guy's listing, could identify whether this is the same verticle-driven locomotive, or if it is the later drive unit with a centrally mounted motor. I want to get one with the centrally mounted motor.
I have come to like ALCo RS-11 locomotives, but this one has a hole in the roof, which leads me to believe it is a vertical-motored locomotive that already had its burn-out. If I can't find a canidate for a chasis repowering this week, I'm going to start looking for a motor to remount in place of the existing 'smoker' motor. I'm searching the forums on articles pretaining to repowering an RS-2, because I know its on here somewhere.
and yes, I asked the seller if he could tell me (or show me) what kind of motor it has. At the price he's asking, I'd give it a try for parts, or maybe the shell... anyone know how to fix melted rooves?
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Posted - November 19 2012 : 7:05:21 PM
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It's Life-Like. http://tycotrain.tripod.com/lifelikemodeltrainscollectorsresource/id12.html
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Posted - November 19 2012 : 7:14:31 PM
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| So is that an 8 or 4 wheel drive unit then? I had no idea LL/ Varney made such a locomotive!
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Posted - November 19 2012 : 7:19:59 PM
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quote:So is that an 8 or 4 wheel drive unit then? I had no idea LL/ Varney made such a locomotive!
Originally posted by Islanderh93Â -Â November 19 2012Â :Â 7:14:31 PM
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They didn't. It's a Mehano unit that Life-Like imported, and somehow AHM never did, even tho it's got the same drive as the AHM Alcos. My friend had one in Green Bay livery when I was a kid.
That one is 4 wheel drive, but they later got 8 wheel drive when they moved to the Model Power line, as did the RS-2.
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Posted - November 19 2012 : 7:28:38 PM
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Okay, so it is a Mehano, as its underbelly would lead me. But then is there any way to tell how many wheels are driven? I guess I've got to wait until the seller gets back to me on that.
Mehano always seems to be working for everyone else... I don't know why they need importers and subcontracts for everything. Why couldn't they have just come over here to sell there ever-improving products under their own name? If they made an RS-11 today just as they had been making 2-6-0's and 4-8-2's, it wouldn't be quite a P2k, but it would be a steal for my layout. Ah, if only.
Well thanks for that info guys, it's a pitty HoSeeker doesn't have drawings for anything pre Proto by life like. Varney is only listed as having existed pre 1960.
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Posted - November 19 2012 : 8:19:08 PM
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I'm not sure Life-Like had exploded drawings or even instructions for these. If they did, I've never seen one. The one in the auction is 4 wheel drive (note the traction tires). I don't think Model Power sold it in Green Bay livery, anyway.
Rivarossi and Mehano always needed an importer to handle their US sales, perhaps in part due to the language barrier. One of the AHM guys said recently they were interested in him as an importer (Mehano's still in business to some degree, making toys, mostly), but he's at a point in his life where he doesn't want the responsibility.
Btw, here's the thread you were looking for. You have to search for "coffee grinder."
http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7136
Also, the instructions for the MP version:
http://www.hoseeker.org/modelpower/modelpowerrs11pg1.jpg
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Posted - November 19 2012 : 9:45:09 PM
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I can't believe I didn't notice that in the picture. The traction tires. Darn.
I guess I see why Mehano doesn't want to enter the US directly, but it's a pity nobody seems able to turn a profit importing them. I couldn't, because I dont' speak their language (Slovenian?) I just pity that we can't keep the flow of their fine models. Even their SD-24's, which are on the cheap-o end are still better than some of the other cheap-o things out there, and they have such good mechanisms for playing around with.
Thank you for that thread, my problem was I searched "RS2" which is what AHM called the model, though it seems to be the same thing as a RS3. I didn't realize how obvious "coffee grinder" would have been. I have seen that article before.
I would love to believe that I could fix it up, but as it is I don't think it would become more than a pile of parts. Thank you all for the help, I think I want to pass on that, but I'm going to be looking into an RS11 to keep now.
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Posted - November 19 2012 : 10:02:45 PM
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Keep your eyes peeled for a better one at online or at a train show, because that one is really bashed. You may even come up with a dual drive version. I almost snapped one up in Penn Central for $10 at the Allentown show, but I had to save my $ for other goodies. 
As for Mehano, I wish they would find an importer, but I've heard the Slovenian plant was closed, tho that could be just a rumor. From what my friend told me it sounded like they were mostly interested in making runs of sets for various retailers, not in resurrecting the IHC line. 
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Posted - November 19 2012 : 10:24:29 PM
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One thing that I look for in these pictures (other than traction tires) are the metal bottom plates that are held on to the trucks with screws. These are usually on the 4-wheel drive units, whereas the Mehano 8-wheel drive versions have plastic bottom plates and no screws.
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Posted - November 19 2012 : 11:00:41 PM
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Good point, Thomas. I didn't even think of that as a spotting difference.
Those metal bottom plates were actually imitations of Rivarossi's design when they took over production of the C-Liners in the 60's.
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Posted - November 20 2012 : 09:55:05 AM
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Don't know if this will help but here is some information I have:
The vertical drive RS2 was manufactured from 1967 to 1974.
The dual truck drive was manufactured from 1976 to 1980.
I know they don't put production dates on the models but, it might be helpful in some way.
Vertical drive locomotives had the handrails and walkways as snap-in separate parts. The dual drive units had the handrails molded to the chassis and the walkways were a molded detail integral with the chassis.(same way as the AHM GP18). As mentioned before the screw type cover plates for the trucks or all plastic snap fit trucks is another way to tell the difference.
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Posted - November 21 2012 : 12:13:39 AM
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-scale-Model-Power-Southern-Railway-ALCO-RS-2-locomotive-train-/181028973242?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2a262aeaba
So you mean to say that this locomotive should have 8 wheel drive. Hopefully the bid stays low enough to make it worth it. I've also begun the hunt for CD motors. I like this alco listed though, so I'm not sure if I want to take it apart....
Oh no. This is the neverending project sickness isn't it?
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Posted - November 21 2012 : 10:06:22 AM
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quote:
Oh no. This is the neverending project sickness isn't it?
Originally posted by Islanderh93Â -Â November 21 2012Â :Â 12:13:39 AM
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Yes, ... yes, it is.
That's the 8 wheel drive unit by looking at the external features.
Seller claims it is, also. Like that means anything.
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Posted - November 22 2012 : 11:24:02 PM
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The dual-drive RS2 lasted into the mid-1980s, I bought one new myself in a silver AHM box around 1988 or so.
Trouble is, the dual drive is almost a completely different animal - to make the older shell work you'd have to cut away the walkways and seriously alter it. I think it could be done, but it's a lot of work.
The RS-11, C415, RS-2 and Alco 1000 switcher all had that vertical drive when introduced. The GP18 seems to have come later and always had the 8-wheel conventional style drive. This drive was used in every one of these engines - the C628, FP45, SW1, even the AHM version of the GG1 got a variant. Even the FM C-liner got that drive towards the end of production (I see it most commonly in Bicentennial paint engines). The parts are all interchangable, and I can swap a drive from a junk chassis into a clean dummy unit in about 10 minutes with just a small screwdriver and some needlenose pliers.
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Posted - November 25 2012 : 09:05:22 AM
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I noticed this photo in NickelPlate759's (Nelson) remotor thread. http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7136
In the Coffee Grinder thread he remotors a vertical drive RS2 but it has the molded-on walkways and handrails. Which I thought only went with the later, 8 wheel drive units. Seems like the definitive way to identify this type of unit is the truck cover plates.
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Posted - November 26 2012 : 7:21:37 PM
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The OP had an RS-2, but the loco in my photos is an Alco S2 or S4 (what they called an Alco 1000), which is why it has molded on handrails.
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