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 Posted - September 30 2012 : 9:17:12 PM
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Yesterday I purchased an old Bachmann 2-8-2, UP Mikado/with Vandy tender. after cleaning the wheels 2 axles cracked...This was the most common issue with all old bachmann locomotives but i sealed the cracks with a special cement called Zap. I lifted the drives out of the frame so no they are not stuck. Then after the cement dried i put the bottom plate back on and nothing happened, no light, no motor hum, nothing. Today I removed the shell, and the running gear as a whole, opened up the split frame, freed up the motor then put it back together to see what would happen, this time the motor hummed but wouldn't move much, and the headlight came on. I will be putting new axles on it, but why won't it run or why won't the motor run?? Please help! I love this 2-8-2 and have only had it for a day...
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Posted - October 01 2012 : 2:54:28 PM
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but why won't it run or why won't the motor run??
Because it's a Bachmann. 
Seriously, old Botchmann can be finicky. It's impossible to know what the issue might be without seeing it firsthand or at least seeing pictures. Did you get Zap on the metal stub axles that could cause binding? Is there CA in the axle slots as well? If so, you're going to have to scrape all of it off.
That loco is actually a reading I-10 Consolidation with a trailing truck and feedwater heater stuck on. I saw your other thread, and I think $50 was steep for an old pancake drive. I'd take it back, but that may just be me.
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Posted - October 01 2012 : 4:57:05 PM
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Good 'ol Nelson  Only the 2 cracked axles have been ZAPPED  and i lifted them so no it's not in the frame but i'll check again. I didn't think there'd be much to post photos of but I can later. And yeah i knew it was based of reading design. Typical manufacture strategy. take one loco design slap as many roadnames on it as possible I know $50 was steep but it's a train store, they basically sell used items at full retail, the one i go to doesn't really but i've never had the chance to get a UP 2-8-2. So i didn't want to pass it up. I've got SO many projects to deal with that the only thing i've done to the 2-8-2 is take most of it apart and visualize it. Of course..no obvious problem except for axle crack. I removed the 2 axles and will be putting 2 replacements sometime this week.
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Posted - October 01 2012 : 7:46:55 PM
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Don't forget to oil the brushes. 
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Posted - October 01 2012 : 8:28:14 PM
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C'mon Nelson! (hehe). I imagine this steamer is like a split frame style right? I say try test leads on the motor. I've haven't seen this,but, a CD ROM has been used in place of the poor "Kader Cake".For $50, I think a Mantua could've been have had! If sent to Bachmann, who knows what they'll return. I say just check for any binding etc etc.
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Posted - October 01 2012 : 8:37:10 PM
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Bachmann train set 2-8-2......
This is the problem!
Its NOT a Bachmann Plus unit.... They NEVER made a Plus version of the 2-8-2......
Not that its much better, but it is better then the regular ole train set 2-8-2 Bachmann!
And to agree, I don't think I'd would have given $50 for that.. I've got 3 or 4 of them, that I might have paid $10 for if that BUT, I know I didn't pay over $10! (For ALL of them at once!)
Check to see if the contacts are making contact with the split frame......This is one issue........ Then if nothing works, add in wire to these placed one wire BOLTED to each of the halves of the frame!
Then look to see if ANY glue got on the frames where the axles you glued are, as the thickness of the glue will raise the frames up enough for the other axles not to touch and this will cause it to not react to any electric as that frame is not sprung.
Also clean the metal part of the drivers that touch the frame......ALL of them.
If that doesn't work, you may want to take it back to the hobby shop you got it from and get your $50.00 back as its sure not worth no $50.00! and get a good ole Mantua!
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Posted - October 01 2012 : 9:44:07 PM
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quote:C'mon Nelson! (hehe).
Originally posted by Redneck Justin - October 01 2012 : 8:28:14 PM
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Sorry. Couldn't resist. 
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Posted - October 01 2012 : 10:11:08 PM
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Wow so much to try! Thanks! And why is $50 so bad? idiots on ebay trying to get $80 for one!! I talked to the guys at the train store and they said bring it if i'm not happy. A little work is no skin off my nose! I wouldn't want to see the 2-8-2 back in the display case the mantua 0-6-0 is next, don't worry, it'll be one of the biggest milestons when purchased because the Roundhouse purchased 4 mantua steamers from a guy in later 2011. So far I have purchased 3 of the 4 and as soon as i got the first I said I would buy them all, reunite them, and operate them all together again! The reason I've put off the 0-6-0 to last is because it's the cheapest one, price wise. So I got all the expensives ones bought first then lower priced ones recently. It'll only take a month to save up for it, its price? $40 NIB. Fair to me, i've seen good ones without boxes sell for $40 on ebay. You have to look it at from a Train stores perspective, they can't buy these used engines off people and sell them for ebay prices, no money to be made. All 4 of these Mantuas were NIB, little to no cleaning required on them, no box damage 100% flawless! 
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Posted - October 01 2012 : 10:45:52 PM
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If it's worth it to you that's all that matters, just be aware that Bachmann of that era was problematic, and it's not just axles that split -- valve gear hangers would break off, truck mounts, etc. I have tremendous patience when repairing a loco, but these I-10 Readings have given me fits. I've gotten them running, but never to my satisfaction. And the noise... oy!
And in all seriousness, keep oil out of the motor. Pancake motors are particularly vulnerable to drag from the gunk created by cooked oil, and unless it's the earliest version, you have to take the whole flippin' thing apart just to get at it. 
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Posted - October 01 2012 : 11:04:21 PM
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Hyde,
So you got more then just the Bachmann 2-8-2 for $50.00?
I would never pay that much for the train set version due to the problematic issues they have! NOW if you got other steamers in that $50.00 you spent, depending on who they are made by, you may have gotten your moneys worth......Specially Mantua!
Also check to make sure on the Bachmann 2-8-2 that you check to see if ANY glue is around the metal axles as this will through off the "spin" from round and make it "buck" and jump even more then it I bet already does!----Forgot to mention this in my last posting!
But if your happy and want to spend alot of time on re-working that 2-8-2, go for it....... just be ware that those locomotives are a nightmare!
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Posted - October 01 2012 : 11:34:16 PM
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I have patience too, but today my other mantua shifter rebuild was giving me a fit. before i put the boiler on the frame, it would roll freely very well (motor is out for work) then once the boiler went on it started stopping after every 3rd-4th rotation of the wheels. It couldn't have been the valve guides caused i spent 10 minutes straightening them and installing them onto the crosshead then made sure everything was aligned properly. The right side main rod was hitting the valve guide but after I fixed it, it still wouldn't roll properly! So fiddled with the valve guides some more, got it rolling good again, lifted it off the tracks to visualy inspect everything before I put it away, I put it back on the track to double check and it locked up again!! I removed the gear cover plate which had some weird thing sticking out of the end, may have been flash but being it wasn't a kit I doubt it, any ways, used my electric belt sanding machine to removed the clump of whatever it was, put the plate back on and then it worked again  I sware it was ridiculous! But i'm happy that the new tender pocket it on and the tender is done! Frame and running gear is done! Now all thats left before it's operable again is lead motor wire to be re-sautered on by me tommorow. Then the rebuild of SCVR 0-4-0 shifter #5s parts supplier will be done!!! And it will be out of Walthers machine shop then in comes the 50s Athearn Band-Drive Gp9!
Anyways...sorry for jumping off topic, and for the $50 i got the 2-8-2 and new Model Power coach. The UP 2-8-2 was $40 but the owners of the store gave me the usual discount ALL 3 black widow athearns i got were a seperate $25 that I saved. great deal on those! Anyways once the mantua shifter (SCVR #99) leaves the shop UP 2-8-2 #2528 will be worked on, the running gear is sitting on the shop floor for now. And yeah i'm sure to enjoy some headaches on my second day off tommorow Thats why i haven't been working on, other projects closer to being done and I don't want to blow a gasket in my head
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Posted - October 02 2012 : 12:38:35 AM
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Hyde,
Blow a gasket in your head? Whats that about? I've got the following in my shop RIGHT now.....
1. BLI Y3 to custom build into a B&O EL-5.
2. Proto-2000 Y6 to make into a C&O H-7.
3. Take a Spectrum 2-8-0 to make into the Western Maryland #734 2-8-0.
4. Four Western Maryland Chopped nose GP-9's!
5. Custom paint a BN caboose For Ben "Microbusss"
6. Install 4 DCC decoders with sound into 4 steam locomotives.
7. Build a custom made B&M GP40-2.
8. Install DCC into that same B&M GP40-2!
9. Custom paint a B&M GP18.
10. Install DCC into that custom painted GP18 in B&M.
11. Pack up and mail out 16 packages, by Tuesday of next week.
12. Get pictures of the "Consignment" items I'm selling for a local friend.
13. List whatever I can here and or Ebay of the consignment items.
And this is a SHORT list, I have yet to get those items packed up to be ready for shipping of the recent items I've listed here that some members are buying!
And on top of it...... I work a regular job of 32 hours a week!
And no, I'm not complaining.....this is a week to week thing almost for me!
Nice part? I have tomorrow off........... its my wife and I Anniversery!
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Posted - October 02 2012 : 02:24:46 AM
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John my heads spinning!! and when i say "blow a gasket" i mean get frustrated. Right now heres what i have going on. 1. ihc 2-6-0 rebuild 2. 2 life like 0-4-0 rebuilds 1 into 2-4-2 3. rebuild of mantua 0-4-0 shifter 4. rivarossi0-8-0 running gear rebuild. 5. bachmann 2-8-2 new axles and motor work 6. roundhouse 0-6-0 wheel and frame work. 7. athearn gp9 drive rebuild 8. athearn f7 wiring work 9. roundhouse 2-8-0 detailing work 10. send my ihc 2-10-2 away to be repaired. 11 send in 2 bachmann steamers to bachmann for replacement. 13. mantua 4-6-2 motor work 14. pilot repair on athearn PA-1. 15. Add windows to 2 athearn f7as. now i'm not working on all of these at once but they have all been started and are in various stages of repair. This list aint that long but for my age I think its good enough!!
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