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 Posted - September 01 2012 : 7:34:37 PM
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Guys,
Well on my days off and at home, and being today is my birthday, I sat last night in the shop and began to do some thinking on these cars:
Well I've done the following to these cars, from what TYCO, OR Mantua has done with them....
See below:
Well needless to say, I got to a point that I wanted something more....
All you guys know of these cars, SO, while up late last night, I came up with this:
The following shows the under side details:
Im not sure I'm 100% satisfied with this, so I plan to try a few other ideas as I would like to mold these for sale in the future and working out the bugs, is a big job for the casting process!
~John
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Posted - September 01 2012 : 8:37:51 PM
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Happy Birthday and a clever idea!
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Posted - September 01 2012 : 8:42:55 PM
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| I have several of these cars plus the dozers & pipes that go on them
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 Posted - September 01 2012 : 8:48:51 PM
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Hi EM-1,
Happy Birthday!
I like the flat car cover idea. Maybe a lip down the sides at the same height that the lip is on a Tyco trailer so it can be lifted off like a trailer. The smooth sides will make for great logo placement.
I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted - September 01 2012 : 8:58:37 PM
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Happy Birthday, John.  
I really like the spools and the tractors.
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Posted - September 01 2012 : 11:30:51 PM
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Thanks for the birthday wishes! (I work in the shop even when, I probably shouldn't!)
As for the spools that load will be going with a "power plant" supply train, I'm working on that a few pieces have been revealed of the past month or so.....
The tracked tractors in John Deere, is going to be a whole other ball game with a mixed freight train. Sadly tho, I have multiples of these cars (I probably have 80 of these TYCO flat cars!) Which I plan to do different things with! WELL, being said that, the early railroad years of carrying steel coils weren't much different, on flat cars atleast, they then also used gondolas, covered or open top!
So anyway, I'm working on building a few of these cars as coil cars......which more explains the hoods......I have a few Walthers coil cars and the center trough seems to have a good starting point for the early coil cars.
I just need to make the hoods to have less interior framing. As the casting process will not allow the 2 center cross braces in it, PLUS the casting process is done with Plastic Resin, which doesn't glue that well to start with so, here I am trying to make these that they can be casted without all the cross bracing to ease those who buy them from me of the extra work (I do the best I can to cut down on the consumer work needed for the added parts.....
I just tried to form a piece of .060 of an inch thick styrene the same way I did the first one, (not pictured as it failed my QC) so, the hood you do see is heat, vacuum formed and worked well, thing is, its from .020 of an inch thick styrene and needs to have the internal cross bracing to keep the edge of the plastic from curling inward.
The .060 of an inch styrene was formed by means of a section of copper pipe that was heated with a torch, and then the plastic laid on top of the hot pipe to allow it to curl around the pipe. Sadly the heat needed to curve a piece of plastic that thick is to much as it makes the plastic stick to the pipe for one, and the heat makes the plastic brittle when it cools.
I'm gonna try .040 or .045 thick stuff when I have a chance to shoot over to the hobby shop to see what I can do with less thickness, but thicker then the .020 stuff!
Also, guys the tractors, are Ertl, and yes are die cast, which adds alittle weight to the cars for one, and looks good chained down and then the whole works dullcoted as those tractors are some seriously shinny when new!
I also have yellow ones that are also JD, which are the commercial ones of the same thing the green ones are for farm use!
The spools, are craft store wooden spools turned in my lathe to give me a better flange for the wire, and then stained, and the wire was old stuff, that was Aluminum wire, I picked from a yard sale for a 30 foot spool of it and it works well for this sort of thing as I'll NEVER use Aluminum wire for anything so.....
~John
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Posted - September 01 2012 : 11:32:58 PM
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quote:I have several of these cars plus the dozers & pipes that go on them
Originally posted by microbusss - September 01 2012 : 8:42:55 PM
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I got alot of these cars Ben, and sadly, I'm not fond of the tractors and culverts they loaded them with from factory, to toy like for me.....
Anyway, in the future when I get those all in the same place (I'm still working on some organization of things in and around the shop), I may have what tractors and culverts from TYCO available, as I hold onto them, but........I'll never use them!
~John
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Edited by - EM-1 on September 01 2012 11:33:34 PM
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Posted - September 02 2012 : 02:07:06 AM
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Well anyway, this is a picture from yester year.....I don't know how old this picture is actually, I know I took it some time ago, BUT, I haven't loaded the car with the coils as I didn't have a "hood" for over them!
Being said that, and now having a some what idea of how I'm going to go about making hoods, I may as well carry on this to a somewhat completion!
~John
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Posted - December 13 2012 : 08:45:49 AM
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Hey John, how about an update on this coil cover project? I might need some of these!
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Posted - December 13 2012 : 3:15:24 PM
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Glenn,
I have not got them completed yet.....
What might you be looking for? I mean, I can custom build just about anything, over and over again....(I want to make a mold of this once I can make it happen correctly for the master copy..)
~John
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Posted - December 14 2012 : 12:17:14 AM
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I used to work in an injection molding plant so I'm just as interested in your R&D and casting process(es) as I am the finished product.
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Posted - December 14 2012 : 11:22:08 AM
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Glenn,
Well, the process I use is Resin casting with Silicone molds.....No injection of any sort, mix the silicone, and pour it slowly around the master copy after prep. Then allow to "cure" and then, separate the mold base and remove filler (clay) and add a mold separator, and pour the second pouring of the 2 part mold, again, allow to cure, and then once done about a week later, its ready for its first part pour!
About as simple as that!
~John
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Posted - December 14 2012 : 11:13:00 PM
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Did you resolve the side curling/cross bracing issue?
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